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HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Apr 14, 11, 01:49    #61
PennBoy:
you're been there for a few years

Wrong: I've been here for more than 15 years (in that time you've visited Poland what, three times?)

PennBoy:
and in one place

Wrong again boy: I've lived in five different cities in Poland.

PennBoy:
My aunt a college educated woman who's been working for over 20 years in a good position, government job makes 2200 a month.

Twenty years in a good position and 2200 a month? Yeah right!

PennBoy:
In Lublin, in Podkarpackie, Podlaskie and many other provinces your 3403 is a dream for most people.

I was in Lublin last month: there was no shortage of people spending their money and prices were most definitely not half Warsaw prices.

PennBoy:
Like I said, if our buddy from the article makes 4,400 zl a month it's good money in Poland.

You know nothing. But I know plenty of people here who make 4,400zl a week.
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 01:54    #62
Harry:
I was in Lublin last month: there was no shortage of people spending their money and prices were most definitely not half Warsaw prices.

The whole 3 months wow you must have mingled with tons of people and from all walks of life.
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 01:58    #63
Harry:
I was in Lublin last month: there was no shortage of people spending their money and prices were most definitely not half Warsaw prices.

That's right - 3400 wouldn't be great to live on in Lublin. Plenty have to, but it wouldn't pay for more than life's basics.
pgtxThreads: 49
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Joined: Feb 14, 09  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		 Apr 14, 11, 03:30    #64
Harry:
know plenty of people here who make 4,400zl a week.

legally?
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 04:07    #65
pgtx:
legally?

Exactly. His 3,300 nationwide "average" is far from average in eastern Poland, barely 2,700 zl is average. And that's just for people who can actually find work, unemployment is at 20%, and those people are barely able to live, what about the retirees and disabled from work? 4,400zl is much more than average even in the wealthier regions.
Average wages in 2010
Mazowieckie 4243,62 zł
Śląskie 3598,76 zł
Pomorskie 3331,44 zł
Dolnośląskie 3321,00 zł
Małopolskie 3135,70 zł
Wielkopolskie 3104,43zł
Zachodniopomorskie 3063,74 zł
Opolskie 3053,61 zł
Świętokrzyskie 2920,81 zł
Lubelskie 2869,35 zł
Lubuskie 2868,65 zł
Łódzkie 2853,35 zł
Podlaskie 2852,36 zł
Kujawsko-pomorskie 2843,65 zł
Warmińsko-mazurskie 2709,53 zł
Podkarpackie 2702,70 zł
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Apr 14, 11, 10:10    #66
PennBoy:
The whole 3 months wow you must have mingled with tons of people and from all walks of life.

No, boy: 15 years and nine months is the amount of time I've spent in Poland. Three months would, however be more time than the total you've spent in Poland in the last 15 years.

pgtx:
legally?

Very much so. Hell, I know I don't break any laws when I'm working!

PennBoy:
4,400zl is much more than average even in the wealthier regions.
Average wages in 2010
Mazowieckie 4243,62 zł

Did you read that before you posted it? Or are you just too dumb to not know that 4,400zl is not "much more" than 4243.62?

PennBoy:
3,300 nationwide "average" is far from average in eastern Poland

And since when has Krakow been in Eastern Poland?
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Apr 14, 11, 10:25    #67
PennBoy:
Average wages in 2010


Something to bear in mind - in Poland, the black economy is huge. While that might be the "official" average wages, you'd be surprised as to the true extent of cash-in-hand work.

Urzad Gminy, she decided who gets money in her gmina for welfare also goes to places that have been let's say damaged by floods and decides if they get money for it. In her gmina in Podkarpackie that's how much they pay. Her husband works at a steel mill as a welder and makes like 1800zl. So it all depends on the job and what region you work in.

They're winding you up - a qualified welder in Poland is going to earn much more than 1800zl, especially in a place like that where qualified staff are very hard to come by. Heck, I was in Rzeszow not so long ago - and the place actually looks better than Szczecin and Bydgoszcz - neither of which are poor.

In fact - I was on the train to L'viv a few months ago. After Rzeszow, the landscape is full of new houses (actually - far more than even in Wielkopolskie) - where's the money coming from if the average wage is so low? But probably the best example of the lot is Medyka - many nice houses. Like Shegyni on the other side of the border (which also has very nice houses, untypical for rural Ukraine) - it's a guarantee that they were all built with black money.

It is a very common Polish trait to pretend to be earning far less than you actually do.
PMR  Apr 14, 11, 11:52    #68
PennBoy:
unemployment is at 20%,


Actually 13.2% (GUS)
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Apr 14, 11, 12:16    #69
PennBoy:
she decided who gets money in her gmina for welfare also goes to places that have been let's say damaged by floods and decides if they get money for it.

So, no chance of kick-backs there then.

PennBoy:
Her husband works at a steel mill as a welder and makes like 1800zl.

No he doesn't. Minimum wage is 1400 and there is no way that a skilled worker with 20+ years' experience is making close to minimum wage. Although you've got to wonder why he doesn't go and work in England, where a welder can earn 750zl per day.
SeanBMThreads: 41
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Apr 14, 11, 21:03    #70
pgtx:
Lenin's and now it's Reagan's...


:)
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SeanBM:
pgtx: Lenin's and not it's Reagan's...

"and now it's Reagan's"... literówki! :)
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edited
Say nothin to noone ;)
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Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 21:11    #73
SeanBM:
:)

is the main street in Nowa Huta called Donald Duck's boulevard?
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Apr 14, 11, 21:12    #74
FlaglessPole:
is the main street in Nowa Huta called Donald Duck's boulevard?

Is that a mix between Donald Tusk and Kaczynski (duck)?
Maybe someday, who knows? :)
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FlaglessPole:
is the main street in Nowa Huta called Donald Duck's boulevard?

no, it's in Warszawka...
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Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 21:14    #76
SeanBM:
Is that a mix between Donald Tusk and Kaczynski? :)

hmm I wonder who was on the receiving side of that relationship...
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Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: SeanBM  Apr 14, 11, 21:17    #77
FlaglessPole:
hmm I wonder who was on the receiving side of that relationship...

This is how gossip starts.
Their love children:

zgfzdgf
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Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 14, 11, 21:23    #78
SeanBM:
This is how gossip starts, thier love children:

Judging from their relative placements and facial expressions I'd say Tusk was in charge of delivery... btw does our mod appreciate what this thread about her home town is turning into..?:)
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Apr 15, 11, 00:19    #79
delphiandomine:
They're winding you up - a qualified welder in Poland is going to earn much more than 1800zl,

I think she meant 2,200 netto after taxes got taken away, so up to 3,000 brutto i'm guessin'. Still it's average or just below average, a woman in a good office job. How about some simple laborer or housekeeper they make much less than that.
Harry:
Did you read that before you posted it? Or are you just too dumb to not know that 4,400zl is not "much more" than 4243.62?

Uh no sh1t are you too dumb to see that the 4243.62 is ONLY for Mazowieckie!? one wojewodztwo, an oasis.
Harry:
No, boy: 15 years and nine months is the amount of time I've spent in Poland. Three months would, however be more time than the total you've spent in Poland in the last 15 years.

hmm in the last 15 years i've been to Poland 5 times, two months, three months, two months, two months, two months = 11 months hmm almost a year.
I have family(cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents) living in Lubelskie, Podkarpackie, Kujawsko-Pomorskie and Mazowieckie who have all sorts of jobs I know the wages.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Apr 15, 11, 02:15    #80
PennBoy:
I think she meant 2,200 netto after taxes got taken away, so up to 3,000 brutto i'm guessin'. Still it's average or just below average, a woman in a good office job. How about some simple laborer or housekeeper they make much less than that.


Aha, yeah, it's possible. Usually in Europe (I have no idea about the US) - civil servants earn less, but they have great job security to make up for it. Still, the cost of living is really low in the East - even lower than in Ukraine.

Housekeepers actually do earn quite decent money here, because it's hard to find one that's reliable and trustworthy. Harry will know better than me, but I recall that a good housekeeper in Warsaw can earn a decent amount of cash.
PennBoyThreads: 157
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delphiandomine:
Housekeepers actually do earn quite decent money here, because it's hard to find one that's reliable and trustworthy. Harry will know better than me, but I recall that a good housekeeper in Warsaw can earn a decent amount of cash.

Funny phenomenon housekeepers make more money in America nowadays than many skilled laborers (masons, painters, carpenters etc.). I know one Polish girl here she says on some days she can make 30 dollars an hour(cash), many men quit their construction jobs buy and van and clean with their wives/girlfriends. It's become much more profitable and easier, who wants carry cement or cinder blocks in the hot sun? However women who work on a payroll (downtown offices) don't make anything about 300 dollars a week, only thing the benefits are good.
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pgtx:
"and now it's Reagan's

Thanks for the pic Sean!
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Apr 15, 11, 11:29    #83
PennBoy:
How about some simple laborer or housekeeper they make much less than that.

Showing your ignorance again, boy. I personally employ a maid to clean my flat and do the ironing etc. She gets 25zl an hour and works full time (not all for me obviously), at least 40 hours per week. And that of course is cash in hand. The type of housekeeper who cooks, looks after kids, etc earns quite a bit more.

PennBoy:
Uh no sh1t are you too dumb to see that the 4243.62 is ONLY for Mazowieckie!? one wojewodztwo, an oasis.

Clearly you have forgotten that your original claim was "4,400zl is much more than average even in the wealthier regions". In fact in one of the wealthier regions it pretty much is the average.

PennBoy:
hmm in the last 15 years i've been to Poland 5 times, two months, three months, two months, two months, two months = 11 months hmm almost a year.

Wow! You spend a few weeks every third summer here! You must know the country like the back of your hand!

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