Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 00:38 #1
Hmm? Naah.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Edited by: MareGaea Aug 3, 10, 00:46 #2
In the 20th Century there were at least two: Solidarity and Pilsudski. >^..^< M-G (tiens)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 09:34 #3
MareGaea: Solidarity You mean Reagan?

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 14:01 #4
Glorious is interpretation ! What are you looking for ?be specific

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 14:04 #5
A number of battles where Poles won despite being outnumbered etc.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Aug 3, 10, 19:40 #6
Olaf: A number of battles where Poles won despite being outnumbered etc. This ones Pole on Poles but worth a mention i think.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 19:47 #7
Wroclaw Boy: This ones Pole on Poles but worth a mention i think. I was talking about the ones that were historically meaningful. Ironside: Glorious is interpretation ! What are you looking for ?be specific As in, I'd like to see Harry speaking about any positive polish moment in history.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 07:23 #8
In my opinion, 1920 war looks good. Poland won war against whole Soviet Union and stopped red march on Europe. It seems to be the most glorious event in 20 century.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 07:33 #9
look up PL on wikipedia.. there is a lot of glorious times in PL's long history.. probably more good stuff then bad stuff.

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 07:35 #10
Yes, Polish history before the 18th century.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 07:37 #11
a few goodies in the 20th too..

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,855 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: sascha Aug 12, 10, 10:45 #12
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_%281569%E2%80%9317 95%29][/url] What do u mean about this?

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Aug 12, 10, 11:31 #13

Lukasz:

In my opinion, 1920 war looks good. Poland won war against whole Soviet Union and stopped red march on Europe. It seems to be the most glorious event in 20 century.

The disgraceful backstabbing of Poland's Ukrainian allies should stop any Pole from looking back with pride on that war.

frd:

I'd like to see Harry speaking about any positive polish moment in history.

One of the few things which Poland has never suffered from is a shortage of cheerleaders when it comes to boasting about history. Which is a pity: it stops Poles from learning from the mistakes in Polish history.

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Edited by: milky Aug 12, 10, 12:01 #14

Harry:

One of the few things which Poland has never suffered from is a shortage of cheerleaders when it comes to boasting about history. Which is a pity: it stops Poles from learning from the mistakes in Polish history.

What a statement form an English nationalist. Have you no cop on buddy. Look into the disgraceful history of your own country that raped half the world, and yet no apology.
From Penal times to Bloody Sunday. The Poles are angels compared to the Brits.
This song says it all;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKp5v0B3IwE

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 12:23 #15
I am listening to Roger Waters at the moment and when he mentioned cavalry attacks (the song Every Strangers Eyes), I thought of Poland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlxTAHgSbeQ Poland used this to very good effect. When they used it, it was perceived as being an anachronistic method but they employed their resources well. I bet Crow would be proud as Serbian Hussars were similarly good.

ArchyskiThreads: - Posts: 24 Joined: Aug 12, 10 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 12:44 #16
Harry, You shouldn't be ashamed of your low awareness of history. Look at the internet, and you would find many things. One of the great things we did, was the battle against the ottoman, where King Sobieski had the command, that stopped the ottoman attempt to occupy Vienna in 1683, so they could spread their power in the continent.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 12, 10, 12:48 #17

Archyski:

One of the great things we did, was the battle against the ottoman, where King Sobieski had the command, that stopped the ottoman attempt to occupy Vienna in 1683, so they could spread their power in the continent.

Well...again....Poland wasn't alone in this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

Belligerents

Banner of the Holy League 1571.png Holy League:

Herb Rzeczpospolitej Obojga Narodow.svg Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
Habsburg Monarchy
Bavaria
Saxony
Franconia
Swabia
Zaporozhian Cossacks
Grand Duchy of Tuscany

Ottoman Empire

Ottoman fiefdoms:
Khanate of Crimea
Principality of Transylvania
Principality of Wallachia
Principality of Moldavia

Commanders

John III Sobieski
Habsburg Monarchy Count von Starhemberg

Ottoman Empire Kara Mustafa Pasha

Strength

c. 84,000 troops

* 152 cannon

c. 150,000 or 300,000 troops

* 20,000 Janissaries
* 300 heavy cannon

On the other hand Poles had been allies to Napoleon who was about to conquer and enslave Europe and had to be beaten by an alliance...so that balances it out somewhat. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)

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Aug 12, 10, 13:55 #18

milky:

What a statement form an English nationalist. Have you no cop on buddy. Look into the disgraceful history of your own country that raped half the world, and yet no apology.

Sorry Mark but I'm neither English nor a nationalist. Looks like you know as much about me as you do about property prices.

Archyski:

Harry, You shouldn't be ashamed of your low awareness of history.

The standard response from any Pole who is told that his country did some things in the past which it should be ashamed of. Or perhaps you can tell me the honourable reasons why Poland p1ssed all over its treaty obligations and sold the Ukrainian National Republic to the USSR for 59 million gold roubles?

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 13:59 #19
Harry: Sorry Mark but I'm neither English nor a nationalist. so who you are?

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Aug 12, 10, 14:17 #20
zetigrek: so who you are? how is that relevant to the discussion, are you here to discus or gain personal information on people, so later on you can make personal remarks as you have done in the past. This is a discussion forum not a plotki forum.

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Aug 12, 10, 14:47 #21

Harry:

The standard response from any Pole who is told that his country did some things in the past which it should be ashamed of. Or perhaps you can tell me the honourable reasons why Poland p1ssed all over its treaty obligations and sold the Ukrainian National Republic to the USSR for 59 million gold roubles?

Since the splitting of Poland by Russia, Germany and Austria, Poland didn't have any control of Ukraine.

Are you from Ukraine or what ?

Poland was one of the first to create a society with religious freedom in the past. Jews and Muslims could stay in Poland, without any persecution. You didn't see that elsewhere.

But again where you from, since your history is full of glory ?

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Aug 12, 10, 14:54 #22

Archyski:

Since the splitting of Poland by Russia, Germany and Austria, Poland didn't have any control of Ukraine.

It seems that you are entirely unfamiliar with the treaty of Warsaw and the peace of Riga. I suggest that you go away and read up on both so that you can learn how Poland's betrayal of Ukraine was one of the most disgraceful betrayals of an ally by a European nation in modern times.

zetigrek:

so who you are?

I'm Harry. Do practise your reading skills more often.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 14:55 #23
The acts created to bring about that freedom could be described as a glorious part of Poland's history but we all know how some laws work (or don't), esp international ones. Effective enforcement mechanisms are needed to complete the glory. Oh, that coupled with adherence by the people themselves.

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Edited by: Archyski Aug 12, 10, 15:06 #24

Harry:

It seems that you are entirely unfamiliar with the treaty of Warsaw and the peace of Riga. I suggest that you go away and read up on both so that you can learn how Poland's betrayal of Ukraine was one of the most disgraceful betrayals of an ally by a European nation in modern times.

I think, that the German and Russian history wins the gold medal of betrayal.

The Ukraine's didn't even like the Polish occupation, so “if the polish sold the country out” even though, I don't see where in the history this could had taken place, what is the big deal ? Again, where in the history should Poland sell Ukraine ? Before or after the splitting ?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 15:10 #25
Archyski: I think, that the German and Russian history wins the gold medal of betrayal. Hey...it's about Polands past! :(

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Edited by: Archyski Aug 12, 10, 15:11 #26

Even though, isn't it the Polish government who tries to bring Ukraine closer or into the EU ? What does Russia do, cutting of gaz !

Bratwurst Boy:

Hey...it's about Polands past! :(

Yea I'm sorry, it just seemed like the right example !

Speaking about the German past, why didn't you guys win the FIFA world cup ? I could have won a lot of money on that ! -Now I'll never get the cruise trip I wanted for the summer, thanks !

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Aug 12, 10, 15:30 #27

I think 1920 is something definitely to be proud of for the Poles. Although I think the Marshal almost overplayed his hand with his invasion of the Ukraine (although his motives were understandable).
Vienna 1683 - Also. Of course the Poles were part of a bigger coalition, but nevertheless without the Polish cavalry thundering down from Kahlenberg, Europe I think would have been a different place now. Too bad Sobieski was a bad administrator on the domestic front.
Chocim, 1673. I think it is a battle often overlooked in the West but nevertheless essential instemming the advance of the Islam hordes.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Aug 12, 10, 15:33 #28
Archyski: Again, where in the history should Poland sell Ukraine ? Before or after the splitting ? Why not learn just a little tiny bit? The Peace of Riga (1921)

ArchyskiThreads: - Posts: 24 Joined: Aug 12, 10 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 15:43 #29
Harry: Why not learn just a little tiny bit? The Peace of Riga (1921) It seems like there is many points in this article. I always admired Jozef Piłsudski , and it's a shame that he didn't have the full command of that decision.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 15:47 #30
Archyski: it's a shame that he didn't have the full command of that decision. What's a shame is that Poland sold out its allies.

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