Polabia back to Slavs?

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Jul 2, 11, 13:01 #1

Since Pomerania has been rightfully ceded to Poland, maybe it's time Polabia should also be returned to Poles, Wends and Bohemians. Just as Pomorze is Polish/Slavonic for 'along the sea' (and meaningless auf Deutsch), so too Polabia means 'up to the Łaba' which the Teutons have translated as 'Elbe'. Berlin is a Slavonic name as is Budizszyn, Kociebusz, Żitawa (Zittau), Drezno and many more. Isn't it true that German toponyms ending in -au were originally Slavonic -awa/-ava.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 13:12 #2
Polonius3: maybe it's time Polabia should also be returned to Poles It should become independent.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 13:15 #3
And the poor Bohemians and Wends would finally stop being landlocked and gain access to the sea via the Odra.

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Jul 2, 11, 14:47 #4

This is the same old story! Everybody's a kind of sore loser, Face facts though. Is it practical for already established territories anywhere, for that matter, to change hands back to original "owners" whose title to property, so to say, was spurious or questionable to begin with?? The Poles say their lands were originally on Polish, NOT German, i.e 'Teutonic' soil, while some Germans contend the opposite. The Israelis and the Palestinians, the Native Americans wanting back all of Long Island etc....

When will the madness end?

PolskiMocThreads: 7 Posts: 488 Joined: Mar 15, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: PolskiMoc Jul 2, 11, 15:03 #5
True. Berlin is even a Polabian word for swamp. Most, Germans don't even know this. Most Germans cry because they lost Prussia. Act like we stole it. Yet, Most Germans don't even know that Prussians were originally a Baltic people similar to Lithuanians.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 15:08 #6
PolskiMoc: Most Germans cry because they lost Prussia. What would you know about "most Germans"? Ever been to Germany? Or Poland?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 15:16 #7
PolskiMoc: Some German So "most Germans" has now become "some Germans". I see. :-D You still haven't answered the question, very relevant since we're discussing the Poland/German hinterland, have you ever been to either country?

PolskiMocThreads: 7 Posts: 488 Joined: Mar 15, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 2, 11, 15:19 #8
JonnyM: So "most Germans" has now become "some Germans". I see. :-D You still haven't answered the question, very relevant since we're discussing the Poland/German hinterland, have you ever been to either country? I said most Germans want Prussia back. I said SOME Germans started the Prussian trust. There is a difference. As the Prussian Trust is an organization.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 15:20 #9
LOL, not even the Sorbs want to be part of Greater Slavia... :D

PolskiMocThreads: 7 Posts: 488 Joined: Mar 15, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 2, 11, 15:23 #10
Palivec: LOL, not even the Sorbs want to be part of Greater Slavia... :D The Sorbs wanted to be part of CzechSlovakia after WW2. But, Germans made propaganda against that & swayed them to stay.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 2, 11, 15:24 #11
Polonius3: Budizszyn Budziszyn. Polonius3: Kociebusz Chociebuż. Polonius3: Żitawa Żytawa. Fir feck sakes, lads, if you're going to reconquer those lands for Poland, then at least learn to feckin spell them properly. rolling eyes

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 15:36 #12
Said lands have changed hands so many times, I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track. Anyhow, real estate being what it is, why would the Germans want much of Northern Poland back? Much of it is still swamp, not that attractive to investors LOL

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Edited by: Torq Jul 2, 11, 15:48 #13

Lyzko:

why would the Germans want much of Northern Poland back? Much of it is still swamp,
not that attractive to investors LOL

Actually, property prices in Northern Poland seem to be somewhat higher than those in Eastern Germany,
so very often Poles from border areas buy flats and houses on the German side of the border and
commute to work in Poland LOL (that is the case with thousands of Poles working in Szczecin but
living in the German town of Löcknitz, for example.)

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Edited by: Polonius3 Jul 2, 11, 15:52 #14
The Prussians were a Baltic people whom the Germans slaughtererd to a man. Adding insult to injury, the Krauts actually stole their victims' name to create their Preussen. Sorry about the spelling. I beat my breast. My Wendish ain't that good!

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Edited by: Torq Jul 2, 11, 15:54 #15

Polonius3:

the Krauts actually stole their victims' name to create their Preussen

Very much like Žemaitijans (Żmudzini) have stolen the name and identity of Lithuanians (Litwini)
and are using the glorious name Lithuania for their pathetic Žemaitijan nazi statelet.

Polonius3:

Sorry about the spelling.

No problem - that's what I'm here for. You take care of the invasion and stuff, and I'll make sure
that all those new towns are properly named ;)

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 15:58 #16
Interesting to know, Torq. Nevertheless, I'd figure that Germany as an investment op is still far more attractive to Poles than vice-versaLOL

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jul 2, 11, 16:01 #17
Lyzko: I'd figure that Germany as an investment op is still far more attractive to Poles than vice-versa Oh, absolutely; and it's going to remain that way in the foreseeable future.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 2, 11, 16:03 #18
let us all remember that false German nation/state actually ending its existence when Vatican decide to play on Poland and not on Germany. New Vatican`s policy would make that formerly germanzied Slavs come back to their Slavic ancestry.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 16:04 #19
PolskiMoc: The Sorbs wanted to be part of CzechSlovakia after WW2. But, Germans made propaganda against that & swayed them to stay. Yes, sure. Germany at the end of WW2 couldn't do anything. The Czechs created a Sorbian organization with some Sorbs who fled to Prague to propagate the annexation of Lusatia, but the Domowina (Google it if you don't know them) was against it.

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 16:09 #20
And the reverse was also true, Crow. How many displaced so-called 'Heim ins Reich-Kinder' from the former Slavic, by the Nazis to be 'Germanized' East, actually belonged to Polish, Sudenten Czech families, forcibly taken from their homelands in an effort to effectively exterminate the Slav lands and ready them for Germans? It cuts both ways.

Marynka11Threads: 8 Posts: 1,447 Joined: Nov 3, 10 ♀	Jul 2, 11, 16:17 #21
Torq: buy flats and houses on the German side of the border and commute to work in Poland LOL (that is the case with thousands of Poles working in Szczecin but living in the German town of Löcknitz, for example.) Where do they pay taxes?

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 16:50 #22
Restitution is a tricky angle. Entitlement is either way too much, or, insultingly low. Take your pick, folks-:))

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jul 2, 11, 17:19 #23
Marynka11: Where do they pay taxes? Where they work I guess - the taxes are probably deducted automatically off their wages. However, I'm not 100% sure about that. Interesting question.

Marynka11Threads: 8 Posts: 1,447 Joined: Nov 3, 10 ♀	Jul 2, 11, 17:30 #24
Torq: Where they work I guess They use more infrastructure in Germany though; schools, etc. I'm wondering if they pay taxes to both. That wouldn't be fun.

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 17:30 #25
And now an even more interesting conundrum: Are Germanized/'Aryanized' Poles whose lands were taken by the Nazis, but never returned, subject in the present generation to German or Polish property taxes? How about former Eastern Germans whose land was ceded back to Poland ("enteignet") after 1949?

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,143 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Jul 2, 11, 17:44 #26
Torq: Where they work I guess - the taxes are probably deducted automatically off their wages. However, I'm not 100% sure about that. Interesting question. EU regulations stipulate you have to pay taxes in the country where you reside officially.

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 17:57 #27
Again, Sobieski, Torq and others, do these taxes ever include "back taxes" of property once in foreign hands, or, are they solely limited to properties on which one is currently residing etc.??

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Jul 2, 11, 22:29 #28

No annexation or conquering lands again. The Polish-German present border is one of friendship and cooperation. Didn't Germany loose much in the long run as a result of its ever progressing "Drang nach Osten"? What is interesing today is discovering traces of the past. The Polabian Slavic language of the isle of Ruegen died out as late as in the 18th century. Some German linguists, however, did manage to write down, although imperfectly, many of its words and phrases. In 1799 in the church of the village of Rowy (near the city of Stolp/Słupsk, the last mass had been held in the Pomeranian (Kashubian) language. A Russian linguist recorded [the remains of] the Slavic language west of Łeba before 1800 and he received an account of a woman who spoke Kashubian fluently, but complained to him that she had no one to talk to in this language; her children could only speak German ...

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Jul 2, 11, 22:47 #29

Lyzko:

Again, Sobieski, Torq and others, do these taxes ever include "back taxes" of property once in foreign hands, or, are they solely limited to properties on which one is currently residing etc.??

We are talking here about everyday matters, meaning a EU citizen earning his salary in another EU country, and where to pay taxes on that. What you mean with "property once in foreign hands"? You mean like a German citizen whose house in Breslau was stolen from him in 1945? Or a Pole whose property in Lwów was stolen from him?
Maybe we could stick to the present situation?

Lyzko	Jul 2, 11, 23:19 #30
Yes, indeed let's-:) The latter's exactly what I mean to ask!

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