POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?

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Oct 30, 07, 15:00 #31

Quoting: Michal

The Poles are certainly Central European and are not really the same race as the Russians at all. The Russians are tougher

Lie expectancy: (females/males/avg)
Poland 75.6/71.3/79.8
Russia 65.5/59.0/72.6

Quoting: Michal

Russians came from Mongolia and probably therefore have more in common with the Turks

You need to brush up your IndoEuropean history.
Russians did not come from Mongolia. Mongols came from Mongolia and Ruled Russians for 300 year.

Quoting: Michal

That is why in 1945, Europe was saved by the Russians, almost single handedly.

Saved? Millions in Poland, Romania, Hungary, Estonia, Germany, Czechoslovakia etc, did not feel saved at all. As a matter of fact, in some of those countrie WW2 ended in 1989.

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:01 #32
Quoting: Grzegorz_ If you mean defeating Gerries then no doubt Soviet Union did much more than western allies Hmm...didn't help the Poles a lot anyway...more cowards than saviours for Poland, but i must say they helped in the final victory (after having helped Germany...)...

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:05 #33
Quoting: z_darius Lie expectancy: (females/males/avg) Poland 75.6/71.3/79.8 Russia 65.5/59.0/72.6 Are you sure about the averages ? How the average life expectancy can be higher than those of men and women...?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:20 #34
Quoting: Polson life expectancy can be higher than those of men and women...? Life expectancy has been falling in Poland for many years now and has nothing to do with World War 2 anyway.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:21 #35
Quoting: Polson (females/males/avg) Probably avg/males/females

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:23 #36
Quoting: Michal Life expectancy has been falling in Poland for many years now and has nothing to do with World War 2 anyway Falling ?? I don't think so...I remember than ten years ago, men life expenctancy was 69 (if i remember well), now it's more than 71... Quoting: Grzegorz_ Probably avg/males/females ...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:24 #37
Quoting: Michal Life expectancy has been falling in Poland for many years now Only in your wildest dreams.

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:27 #38
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Only in your wildest dreams Apparently ;)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:31 #39
Quoting: Michal the Russians came from Mongolia and probably therefore have more in common with the Turks. Finn

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:32 #40
No, it is a well known fact that life expectancy is falling in Poland and other parts of eastern Europe. One reason why I do not want my children to live there.

polishgirltx	Edited by: polishgirltx Oct 30, 07, 15:34 #41
Year Life Expectancy in Poland 2007 75.19 2006 74.97 2005 74.41 2004 74.16 2003 73.91 2002 73.66 2001 73.42 2000 73.19 Source: CIA World Factbook Male only: Year 1955 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2005 (prognosis) 2015 (prognosis) 2050 Life expectancy, Male (Years) 58.6 63.2 66.9 67.0 66.9 68.6 69.8 72.0 76.9 Source: CIA World Factbook

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Oct 30, 07, 15:36 #42

Quoting: Michal

No, it is a well known fact that life expectancy is falling in Poland and other parts of eastern Europe

You should know that Poland is not an Eastern European country... LoL (the subject of this topic...)

Quoting: Michal

One reason why I do not want my children to live there

What are you talking about ??! My grandma lived until the age of 79, a few months before being 80, and i have a great aunt who is 82 or more... ;)

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:36 #43
Quoting: Michal No, it is a well known fact No. It's only your wishful thinking, weird "man".

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:37 #44
Quoting: polishgirltx Year Life Expectancy in Poland 2007 75.19 2006 74.97 2005 74.41 2004 74.16 2003 73.91 2002 73.66 2001 73.42 2000 73.19 Source: CIA World Factbook Thanks polishgirltx ;)

finTThreads: 15 Posts: 184 Joined: Oct 25, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 15:53 #45
Definately Eastern Europeans. One just has to live in West and East to figure that one out! Anyway, central is a kind of Austro-Hungarian outdated syndrome.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 30, 07, 16:15 #46
Poland, being Slavic is part of true, authentic, original West currently so called West is in fact false west, because natives there were uterly defeated in time before BC and later by hostile newcomers and, forced to abonden their Western/White heritage. Just that Poland improve standard of living and all would recognize truth Go Poland!

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Oct 30, 07, 20:51 #47

Quoting: Michal

That is why in 1945, Europe was saved by the Russians, almost single handedly.

Don't forget about the massive U.S. aid that the USSR received from the U.S....

'Complete List of Lend Lease to Russia including atomic materials'

geocities.com/mark_willey/lend.html

U.S. Sherman Tanks given to Russia (there were a huge number of trucks also donated)

ww2incolor.com/gallery/Russian/russian_tanks

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 21:16 #48
Quoting: Crow Poland, being Slavic is part of true, authentic, original West that's the truth too.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Oct 31, 07, 14:51 #49
I would say that the Czech Republic is central Europe but not Poland.

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Oct 31, 07, 15:00 #50
Quoting: Michal I would say that the Czech Republic is central Europe but not Poland. So let's say that the Western part of Poland is in Central Europe...but for me, the whole country is Central European.

babylon2007Threads: 5 Posts: 17 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 31, 07, 15:12 #51
Having visited Poland a number of times, I noticed that some Polish did not like the term "Eastern Europe" to include Poland. Now I dont use this term any more. I just talk about Poland or Europe. The same way as I would not refer to other countries in Europe based on their geographical location. Poland is going to be a central country in the new Europe. Watch out North, South, East and West!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 09:29 #52
I suppose that Poland, being in the middle, so to speak, can afford the 'hedge its bets' and knowing that the West is richer and is more able to help Poland economically, it is wiser to say 'we are part of the West' rather than siding with poorer Russia.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 12:54 #53
Quoting: Polson What are you talking about ??! Kmiot proved wrong 150th time, so nothing interesting here. Move on.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Nov 1, 07, 12:59 #54
Quoting: Michal I would say that the Czech Republic is central Europe but not Poland. Russian philosopher Michal has spoken ... about Poland

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 13:21 #55
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Kmiot proved wrong 150th time, so nothing interesting here. Move on. Yes, i guess. Quoting: Lukasz Russian philosopher Michal has spoken ... about Poland So he's wrong, hehe ;)

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Edited by: z_darius Nov 1, 07, 13:23 #56

Quoting: Michal

I suppose that Poland, being in the middle, so to speak, can afford the 'hedge its bets' and knowing that the West is richer and is more able to help Poland economically

Russia being unable to steal from Poland is a step in the right direction in the first place.

Quoting: Michal

it is wiser to say 'we are part of the West' rather than siding with poorer Russia.

Yes. I hope you don't have a problem with that, as I'm sure you didn't have a problem with Russia accepting $979 million in from US in 2001, and $200 million from EU in 2000.

(how does that pot and kettle proverb go?)

twathunter	Nov 1, 07, 13:38 #57
Michal were you always an idiot is this a talent you developed?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 15:57 #58
Quoting: twathunter Michal were you always an idiot is this a talent you developed? Yes, I have worked very hard at it until I got my Equity card. It is illegal to copy my words and phrases as they are controlled by strict copyright. My writings are a skill which takes many years to perfect and this should not be tried at home without supervision.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 15:59 #59
Quoting: z_darius Russia being unable to steal from Poland is a step in the right direction in the first place. Quoting: Michal Russia has still got half of 'Old Poland' and that should suffice unless of course, Poland wants to buy it back!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Nov 1, 07, 16:14 #60
Quoting: z_darius (how does that pot and kettle proverb go?) like this, 'przyganial kociol garnkowi, a sam smoli'.

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