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"In Poland, I'm a German. In Germany, a Pole." Autochthones in country.


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RD1Threads: 1
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 Sep 15, 10, 13:20    #1
Another problem that Polish authorities were faced with was the disposition of the so-called "Germanized Poles" or "autochthons". Of close to three million residents of Masuria (Masurs), Pomerania (Kashubians) and Upper Silesia (Silesians) of Slavic descent, many did not identify with Polish nationality, were either bilingual or spoke German or Germanized dialects only. Large numbers of these had registered with the German Deutsche Volksliste during the war. While those who had signed Volksliste category "I" were expelled, the Polish government aimed to retain as many "autochthons" as possible, as they were needed both for economic reasons and also for propaganda purposes, as their presence on former German soil was used to indicate an intrinsic "Polishness" character of the area and justify its incorporation into the Polish state as "recovered territories". "Verification" and "national rehabilitation" processes were set up to reveal a "dormant Polishness" and to determine which were redeemable as Polish citizens, few were actually expelled. "Autochthons" not only disliked the subjective and often arbitrary verification process, but they also faced discrimination even once verified. Polish settlers coveted autochthon property, and they resented and distrusted the verified autochthons. Many autochthons fled to occupied Germany in despair at their treatment, although the situation in Germany was little better. As one Silesian wrote, "In Poland, I'm a German. In Germany, a Pole. Perhaps they should create a state for us on the moon. There we might finally feel at home".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Pola nd_during_and_after_World_War_II#.22Autochthones.22

What do you think should have happened to these "autochthons"?
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Edited by: zetigrek  Sep 15, 10, 14:23    #2
I've always thought that its the opposite: In Poland they are Poles, in Germany they are Germans.

Our prime minister Tusk is Kashubian. Some was trying to use the fact that his grandfather was in Wermacht against him, but finally it turned against those who reveiled that fact.

In the other hand we have Miroslav Klose (a foodball player now living in Germany) who is Silesian but his parents firmly claimed that they are Germans not Poles.

So it's not that Poles rejects Silesians, Kashubians, Masurians etc, but those minors they just sometimes reject Poland.

In 2002 there was a census. People had to answer the question about the nationality (=ethnicity) in this poll. And the census clerks encounter a problem in Silesia when many people wanted to declare Silesian as their nationality but there was no such nationality as Silesian. If Silesians were a nation, then they would be the biggest ethnic miniority in Poland.

Seanus wife is Silesian so maybe he could say something about it. Living in £ód¼ I've never encoutered this issue in person so I don;t know this problem at all and how they really regard themselves.
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 Sep 15, 10, 15:13    #3
RD1:
What do you think should have happened to these "autochthons"?


Nothing should happen. A person is whoever she/he feels to be. Someone who was born, for example in Wroclaw while it was Breslau, is obviously entitled to feel like a German. His descendants obviously too as long as they feel like it.
The same is with people who were born in Lwow etc....



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