Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why?

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jan 27, 11, 23:57 #91
Trevek: Actually, they went upto 1918 As kaiser and title of prussian king was only an ornament in German empire

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Jan 28, 11, 06:29 #92

Whilst this is not the year Zamoyski is talking about, this is an example of the stuff he Is talking about:

The destruction and sacking of the city of Kalisz (Polish: zburzenie Kalisza) occurred in August 1914 by German Empire troops. From August 2 until 22 1914, at the beginning of World War I, one of the oldest towns in Poland (then under Partitions), with a rich historical tradition, and monuments of mediaeval architecture was bombed and burnt down. It was committed on a defenceless, open town, which the Russian army had left without fighting. The event is also known as Pogrom of Kalisz or Poland’s Louvain.

As depicted in film(must say the troops do look smart in their uniform)

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Jan 28, 11, 08:47 #93
Trevek: To all, the topic is wandering. Sorry, Prussian king to 1918, Post-WW1 war reps... seems vaguely relevant.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 28, 11, 11:33 #94
hague1cmaeron: Whilst this is not the year Zamoyski is talking about, this is an example of the stuff he Is talking about: No...the thread was about polish reparations to Germany and a policy of scorched earth during WWI aimed at a non-existent Poland. Both is not true! When you think Kalisz was bad just look at France during WWI....

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jan 28, 11, 11:46 #95

Bratwurst Boy:

No...the thread was about polish reparations to Germany and a policy of scorched earth during WWI aimed at a non-existent Poland.
Both is not true!

When you think Kalisz was bad just look at France during WWI....

Come now BB, we must pay attention. The scorched earth, is a Russian tactic, Germans did not do that in WWI. You seem to be far to harsh on th Germans BB(:

Yes the reparations are the main bit that interests me. But Zamoyski did mention the confiscation of property and so does the the little snippet that I have pasted. Alas I am still going to have to write to the publisher to find out.

The practices mentioned by Zamoyski seem to be overwhelmingly indulged in by the Russians from the information I have come across.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 28, 11, 12:08 #96
...pays more attention....

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Feb 11, 11, 21:06 #97
Bratwurst Boy: ...pays more attention.... Ive payed attentiona and NOTHING! I want more!! :=)

pyrros

Jul 3, 11, 09:47 #98

Jacques Delpla: Germany owes Greece €575bn from WWII

Talking to Les Echos the French econonmist Jacques Delpla claims that Germany still owes €575bn as a result of World War. He calls on Greece to respect its engagements with Europe by being serious about reforms and repayment of the debt. And he calls on Germany to keep its engagements with Europe by continuing to support Greece.

greeceandworld.blogspot.com/2011/06/jacques-delpla-germany-owes-greece .html

See.. Germany still owes a vast amount of noney!

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Jul 3, 11, 10:29 #99

Full articile here (in french)

The Germans do not seem very enthusiastic about this idea?
The Germans forget their debt policy. We must remind them. In 1945 the winners of the war have drawn a line under the human and physical capital destroyed by the Nazis. It was the ECSC and the Treaty of Rome. Political and financial liabilities of Germany under the war amounts to 16 times the German GDP, you can call it the implicit debt of Germany. We do not claim it in return, he was asked to play the European game, a politically and financially. Today, this means saving Greece.

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Jul 3, 11, 12:12 #100

Bratwurst Boy:

Germany for sure did not get any reparations from anybody after WWI...WE PAID THEM!
Reparations is for losers!
Germany paid the last reparation for WW1 this year (2010).
Israel demands another 500 MIL for WWII (the East-German part they didn't get till now)...how is that?

"operation de-industrialisation" my arse! What crap! 1918 the german army was self-destructing and infighting.
(Not to mention that there was no Poland in 1918....I very much doubt the german army was on a destruction-spree in Germany).
The Treaty of Versaille decided that in 1919.

This guy is a plain liar...

Yeah Germany got their war reparations from Poland after WW1.

Germany looted 90 percent of Poland's wealth after WW1.

So, Germans themselves got their reparations in the means of looting.

Is looting reparations for losers too?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 3, 11, 12:16 #101
PolskiMoc: Germany looted 90 percent of Poland's wealth after WW1. How could Germany 'loot wealth' when it was hers to take?

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	Jul 3, 11, 12:51 #102
pyrros: See.. Germany still owes a vast amount of noney! I wonder how many more centuries this will be used to pressure Germany to pay more money to Brussels and Southern Europe.

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Jul 3, 11, 13:36 #103

Actually the greek government accpeted a haircut in 1953 of the german debt including reparations.There were some secret agreements(they gave us some pre war trains) and the whole issue was solved.The essential difference in the greek case contrary to other countries occupied by Germany is that Germany during occupation took an obligatory loan from Greece including the whole gold in greek national bank.This was a legal transaction and this gold was never paid back.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 3, 11, 14:02 #104
Bratwurst Boy: No...the thread was about polish reparations to Germany and a policy of scorched earth during WWI aimed at a non-existent Poland. Both is not true! BB the fact is Germans destroyed or stole all polish industry, the reason why Poland after WWI was so poor was because Germans either destroyed or carried away all polish factories none of your neo-nazi stormfront denial can hide this.

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Jul 3, 11, 14:44 #105

This might be of interest,

Poland under the Germans. (From "The Times," February 24th, 1916)--German exactions in Poland. (From "The Times," May 12th, 1916)--The sufferings of Warsaw. (From "The Times," June 17th, 1916)--Indentured labour in Germany. (From "The New statesman," June 10th, 1916)

http://ia600307.us.archive.org/6/items/polandundergerma00londrich/pola ndundergerma00londrich.pdf

http://www.archive.org/details/polandundergerma00londrich

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Jul 3, 11, 14:51 #106

Sokrates:

BB the fact is Germans destroyed or stole all polish industry, the reason why Poland after WWI was so poor was because Germans either destroyed or carried away all polish factories none of your neo-nazi stormfront denial can hide this.

What are Polish factories? These factories were owned by someone, and I suspect these factories were simply owned by Germans and moved to Germany, since the owners didn't want to live in Polska.

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Jul 3, 11, 14:54 #107

Palivec:

What are Polish factories? These factories were owned by someone,

By Poles mostly.

Palivec:

and I suspect these factories were simply owned by Germans

Nope, Polish factories owned by Poles were either dissasembled or blown up as in accordance with the general order of german high command there was to be no industry left for Poland to ensure Poland will become weak.

Got any other anti-polish remarks?

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Jul 3, 11, 15:19 #108

Sokrates:

Nope, Polish factories owned by Poles were either dissasembled or blown up as in accordance with the general order of german high command there was to be no industry left for Poland to ensure Poland will become weak.

Got any other anti-polish remarks?

Yes. I read here all the time how evil Prussia suppressed poor Poles... and now, suddenly, Poles owned most factories? It must suck when two conspiracy theories collide... :D
And when it became clear that Germany would lose the eastern territories the German army wasn't in the position anymore to do anything, since the German army was in shambles.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jul 3, 11, 15:20 #109
Actually eastern Germany paid more reparations(forced by Soviets) than West Germany did.The reason was that a collapse of western Germany would mean end of capitalism in Europe so Ameeicans did whatevee possible to lessen the german burden.(good choice if we think what happened after Versajes treaty in 1919).

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Jul 3, 11, 15:23 #110

Palivec:

Yes. I read here all the time how evil Prussia suppressed poor Poles...

Which it did and in the end it stole all the fruits of polish labor for itself to ensure Polands economic weakness.

Palivec:

and now, suddenly, Poles owned most factories? It must suck when two conspiracy theories collide... :D

Thats chiefly because despite supression Poles proven to be superior merchant, businessmen and better organized than Germans, under draconic laws they still managed to develop the region significantly.

Palivec:

And when it became clear that Germany would lose the eastern territories the German army wasn't in the position anymore to do anything, since the German army was in shambles.

See? Not only are you an anti-polish bastard you're also an ignorant moron, Germany had in Poland more than four hundred thousand troops who begun the operation weeks before the Greater Poland uprisings.

By the time Poles started to boot Germans by force of arms most of polish industry was already stolen and inside Germany or destroyed.

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Jul 3, 11, 15:40 #111

Sokrates:

Thats chiefly because despite supression Poles proven to be superior merchant, businessmen and better organized than Germans, under draconic laws they still managed to develop the region significantly.

And the Poles under Russian rules were less superior merchants and businessmen, and less organized, that's why these eastern Polish territories are less developed. Yes, it all makes so much sense... :D

Sokrates:

See? Not only are you an anti-polish bastard you're also an ignorant moron, Germany had in Poland more than four hundred thousand troops who begun the operation weeks before the Greater Poland uprisings.

Hmm. Anti-Polish bastard. Ignorant moron. Nice. Looks like forum rule #2 to me.
And maybe, if you would read a few more modern books and not only Commie propaganda, you would know that not the German army fought against Poles during the uprising but mainly irregular troups, since the German army was de facto non-existent.

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Jul 3, 11, 16:48 #112

Palivec:

And the Poles under Russian rules were less superior merchants and businessmen, and less organized, that's why these eastern Polish territories are less developed. Yes, it all makes so much sense... :D

Actually you're correct, because of the uprisings the polish elite in the central and eastern polish territories was more or less wiped out or forced to flee.

In 1830 Congress Kingdom (russian partition of Poland) constituted 30% of all of Russias industry, as a result in 1831 Poles were able to fight a year long war bloody and only very narrowly won by Russians, Russia never again permitted Poland to have industry whilst occupying Poland.

Palivec:

Hmm. Anti-Polish bastard. Ignorant moron. Nice. Looks like forum rule #2 to me.

Dont care, you're a prejudiced anti-polish f*ck.

Palivec:

And maybe, if you would read a few more modern books and not only Commie propaganda, you would know that not the German army fought against Poles during the uprising but mainly irregular troups, since the German army was de facto non-existent.

Rubbish, there was more than 100.000 regular troops in Greater Poland alone, the army itself numbered nearly a milion, thats what the books say, modern and not polish either.

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