Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960

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Mar 27, 11, 15:14 #1

According to Polish Foreign Secretary Radosław Sikorski, in 1960 Poland paid the US $40 million as compensation for confsicated American property in Poland. He added that the US agreed to distribute it amongst claimants and that any further claims should be directed to the American, not Polish government. Asked about the Jewish property claims Obama is expected to raise when he visits, Sikorski said: 'We do not distinguish between Jewish and non-Jewish property. Our courts do not rule on the basis of someone's nationality or religion.' Any comments?

http://tvp.info/informacje/swiat/relacje-z-usa-to-nie-katastrofa/42093 96

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 27, 11, 15:39 #2
Umm....clear it up please...when did become american property jewish property? Polonius3: 'We do not distinguish between Jewish and non-Jewish preropty What does he mean with that? ??? I mean the property back then belonged to Poles (Poles of jewish faith), no? What has that to do with the US??? ??? confused

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 27, 11, 15:55 #3
Only that already ahead of the Obama trip the US authorities, pressured by infleuntial Jewish-American circles, have been after Poland to return former Jewish property in Poland confiscated or destroyed by the Nazis or natioanlised by the communist regime. Sikorski was replying to a TVP INFO interviewer who asked what he would tell Obama when asked about Jewish property claims.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 11, 15:56 #4
Well...then...good luck with that...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 Mar 27, 11, 15:59 #5
He could ask Obama when the US plans to give the Black Hills back to the Lakota? Again with the obsession,djengi,does rather turn the bellies of the rest of us...mwah,I want my families hovel in ireland back,and the farm in the Scots highlands,ooh,and the merchants mansion in calcutta now I think about it...;

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 16:32 #6
Polonius3: Asked about the Jewish property claims This is a very commonplace subject . Does Obama represent Israel ? Or maybe American Jews have special rights in America and bilateral treaties don`t apply to them as for the third party ?

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Mar 27, 11, 17:00 #7

Bratwurst Boy:

Polonius3:'We do not distinguish between Jewish and non-Jewish preropty

What does he mean with that?

Well, there were also Christian Poles who owned property in Poland before the war. If there will be a law about lost property compensation, it needs to be for all, not just for Jewish ones.

isthatu2:

He could ask Obama when the US plans to give the Black Hills back to the Lakota?

If you have nothing to say on the topic, kiddo, do not comment. You are regularly taking threads off topic.

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Mar 27, 11, 17:04 #8

Monia:
This is a very commonplace subject . Does Obama represent Israel ? Or maybe American Jews have special rights in America and bilateral treaties don`t apply to them as for the third party ?

Jews are chosen people so they choose when and from whom to demand payments and in 1960 the property was worth 40 mil but now it is worth 60 billions so Poland needs to makeup difference, I wish that scenario would work for me too but unfortunate I am not one of the chosen.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Mar 27, 11, 17:06 #9
lalala blah blah blah,bizib!tch at it again.....go drink your milk love....if you cant see how on topic i was you are blind as well as just plain nasty. What right does a US leader have to tell any other nation to compensate dispossed people when its very foundation was based on disposesing and genocide? The US got its money in 1960,get over it, if they want more money go bug the swiss again.

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Edited by: ShortHairThug Mar 27, 11, 17:10 #10

Bratwurst Boy:

I mean the property back then belonged to Poles (Poles of jewish faith), no?
What has that to do with the US???

Property of US citizens with Polish roots no matter of what faith is referred to as American property. As per agreement between PRL and USA dated 16th of July 1960 Poland agreed to pay the compensation for the loss of the private property to those US citizens who made such claim prior to this date in the form of the said sum. The very same agreement stipulates that any future claims after this date filed by the former citizens of Poland who become US citizens or her legal residents will be the soul responsibility of the nation that granted the citizenship to such person, furthermore by signing this bilateral agreement both side consider it a closed matter with all debts settled. Mind you, Poland made similar agreements with various nations at the time not just US.

Bratwurst Boy:

What does he mean with that?

LOL Diplomatic way of saying (feck off) we do not really care how US classifies its citizens, in the eyes of the law there is no difference based on ones religious preference, all are her citizens and Poles with equal rights, if U.S makes that distinction it’s their right but Poland does Not so there’s no need to put an emphasis on one special group.

Monia

Mar 27, 11, 17:11 #11

Marek11111:

n 1960 the property was worth 40 mil but now it is worth 60 billions so Poland needs to makeup difference,

You must be insane saying this or you have no idea what the treaty was all about .Treaty signed , compensations paid , no other claims !!!!! USA state should pay to those who lost something but didn`t get it .

Marek11111:

Jews are chosen people

In your dreams anything is possible, just close your eyes and dream :)

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,387 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Mar 27, 11, 17:16 #12
Bratwurst Boy: Umm....clear it up please...when did become american property jewish property? where's Harry?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 27, 11, 17:17 #13
Monia: USA state should pay to those who lost something but didn`t get it . I don't think USA is obliged to pay for any of this. As a matter of fact US government should stay away from this issue altogether.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,375 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Edited by: ShortHairThug Mar 27, 11, 17:28 #14
Bzibzioh: I don't think USA is obliged to pay for any of this. As a matter of fact US government should stay away from this issue altogether. Too late, by accepting the money at the time and signing this agreement they are obligated to do so, of course their courts can dismiss it any time sighting there's no legal base for that.

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 17:32 #15
Bzibzioh: US government should stay away from this issue altogether. What issue ? There is no issue ! Jews with american citizenship are americans and the same applies to Polish law in refering to Jews . I always thought that their state is Israel

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Mar 27, 11, 17:39 #16

ShortHairThug:

Too late, by accepting the money at the time and signing this agreement they are obligated to do so, of course their courts can dismiss it any time siting there's no legal base for that.

ShortHairThug:

The very same agreement stipulates that any future claims after this date filed by the former citizens of Poland who become US citizens or her legal residents will be the soul responsibility of the nation that granted the citizenship to such person, furthermore by signing this bilateral agreement both side consider it a closed matter with all debts settled. Mind you, Poland made similar agreements with various nations at the time not just US.

I don't understand why would USA gov agree on that second point. Why take on yourself such a big burden?

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Edited by: ShortHairThug Mar 27, 11, 17:46 #17

Bzibzioh:

I don't understand why would USA gov agree on that second point. Why take on yourself such a big burden?

Because the claimant had a chance to file the claim in Polish courts when he/she was still a citizen of Poland prior to his/her emigration or US courts prior to the date of agreement, by not doing so such person has relinquished the claim by his own choice. Statute of limitation, I think 15-20 years is enough of a time to make this claim, don’t you?

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 17:51 #18
Bzibzioh: Why take on yourself such a big burden? Poland paid to US state compensations in US $, that`s why. Do you think it was a big burden since they have got the money ?

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Mar 27, 11, 18:03 #19

I wonder whether there is a documentation saved somewhere which claims were already paid off as to prevent the same heirs to claim again.

ShortHairThug:

Statute of limitation, I think 15-20 years is enough of a time to make this claim, don’t you?

Normally that's sufficient, but Jews have their own laws and I bet they want them to be honored. Which means they will pressure until they succeed. Just the fact that the president of USA will advocate this issue is a proof how influential Jewish lobby is.

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 18:04 #20
Any claim based on such issue will be dismissed by every Polish court on the base of rei iudicatae and American courts have no jurisdiction upon such cases . Jews know that, so they will only cry over it at every possible occassion.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 27, 11, 18:12 #21
Monia: Jews know that, so they will only cry over it at every possible occassion. Hey, if you had a chance to put your hand on 60 billion $, you'd cry, too ;)

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 18:16 #22
Bzibzioh: the president of USA will advocate If he does he will make a fool of himself

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Mar 27, 11, 18:21 #23

Bzibzioh:

Normally that's sufficient, but Jews have their own laws and I bet they want them to be honored. Which means they will pressure until they succeed. Just the fact that the president of USA will advocate this issue is a proof how influential Jewish lobby is.

Exactly, US claim had been satisfied back then. The Jews had been spoiled by their success in recent years, the Swiss etc. , hell even the Germans said this is the last time; it’s all madness if you ask me how long can you demand and being paid the compensation for the same wrong done to you over and over again. It’s none of Obamas business, the bilateral agreement had been reached legalized and agreed upon by both sides, he will be told in no uncertain terms to feck off, US has settled this matter back then.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Edited by: Bzibzioh Mar 27, 11, 18:28 #24
ShortHairThug: It’s none of Obamas business, the bilateral agreement had been reached legalized and agreed upon by both sides, he will be told in no uncertain terms to feck off, I wonder if Komorowski will have enough strength to tell him off. Tusk will for sure make another promise.

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 18:30 #25
Bzibzioh: if you had a chance to put your hand on 60 billion $, you'd cry, too ;) We , in Poland , don`t pay any attention to such issues initiated by a bunch of insane people. Who cares about them .

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Mar 27, 11, 18:35 #26

Bzibzioh:

Well, there were also Christian Poles who owned property in Poland before the war. If there will be a law about lost property compensation, it needs to be for all, not just for Jewish ones.

Any Jewish claims do not exceed 14% of all claims. The Jews, those who are heirs, can get in line in Polish courts and seek justice. Their chances are just as good as the Poles'.

The only problem I have with this on-going swindle is that very few decent Jews speak up against this worldwide fleecing operation. Sikorski's wife could pen up a strong response in the Washington Post where she is a columnist(I think). That would be a good start.

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 18:44 #27
1jola: The only problem I have with this on-going swindle is that very few decent Jews speak up against this worldwide fleecing operation. Sikorski's wife could pen up a strong response in the Washington Post where she is a columnist(I think). That would be a good start. I agree 100% with you

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Mar 27, 11, 18:44 #28

1jola:

The Jews, those who are heirs, can get in line in Polish courts and seek justice.

I think the main beef is about those properties who have no living heirs. Jewish organizations wants compensations for those because that's the Jewish law. Polish law says those belong to the state.

1jola:

The only problem I have with this on-going swindle is that very few decent Jews speak up against this worldwide fleecing operation.

Even if they do, their voices are muzzled. There is great emphasis that Jewish diaspora needs to speak in one voice.

Monia	Mar 27, 11, 18:50 #29
Bzibzioh: Polish law says those belong to the state. They certainly don`t know the International Private Civil Law and the basic rules of Polish Law. Jewish law can`t be applied to a property situated in Poland .

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Mar 27, 11, 18:55 #30

Bzibzioh:

I think the main beef is about those properties who have no living heirs. Jewish organizations wants compensations for those because that's the Jewish law. Polish law says those belong to the state.

Yes, that is a good one. A dead Jewish person's with no heirs horse belongs to future unrelated Jews. They should try that in the U.S. to see if it works first.

Everyone knows that that these organizations are running a scheme. Most Jews know this yet they stay quiet. They don't want to be labeled self-haters like Finkelstein was. Chomsky told him this would happen and his professional career would suffer greatly and that is what happened.

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