Poland - Scotland, the untold story...

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Aug 27, 10, 09:49 #61

Galloglaich:

My understanding is that the Polish / Hanseatic city of Elbag / Elbing had a significant Scottish (as well as Irish and English) expat population from quite early due to the close trade relations with the British Isles, starting in the 15th Century when Elbag joined Poland as part of the Prussian Confederation and becoming well established by the 16th.

Indeed. There are some names on this list for "Elbing".
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/prussia/part3-3.htm

I believe it was a Hanse town before Gdansk.

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Sep 5, 10, 22:02 #62

delphiandomine:

I'm another one in a long line of Aberdonians who came here :)

There's a book by a guy called Dobson http://books.google.pl/books?id=cMXApKvxIPAC&dq=Dobson+Poles+in+Poland +baltic&source=bl&ots=klqKNGPoYY&sig=Ui_lrS1OQaJWvyxKZjzZo3_Mj-A&hl=en &ei=BfaDTL6GAsaQswbX8rXmCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved= 0CBQQ6AEwAA

which lists names of Scots who travelled to Poland. He lists 4 Alexander Chalmers' (and a few other Chalmers). Mainly from Aberdeenshire.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,387 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Sep 5, 10, 22:53 #63
Trevek: He lists 4 Alexander Chalmers Trevek, Today,I went to the house in Warsaw were A C lived and there on the wall is the Commemorative plaque.

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Sep 5, 10, 23:08 #64

warszawski:

Trevek, Today,I went to the house in Warsaw were A C lived and there on the wall is the Commemorative plaque.

Yes, I have a photo of it on my FB. Did you visit the museum inside? Nothing to do with AC but a nice little museum of the shoe-maker's guild. Quite interesting in its own right.

I believe they were going to try to put a plaque to AC in the cathedral too (there was one there before the war), any idea if they have done so, yet?

Also, in the city museum there is a map of who lived in the houses of the main square, and a couple of them seem to have Scottish names.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Sep 6, 10, 01:34 #65
I love this series, the guy is a really good historian, he sees through the patriotic BS.

AllisonThreads: 21 Posts: 439 Joined: May 29, 10 ♀	Sep 6, 10, 02:30 #66
LOL this is hilarious I'm part Polish and part Scottish and my dad always said that mixing those two causes a deadly combination. They have both been through similar things (Germans want to take over Poland and English want to take over Scots). Its weird how they are alike though, the smug air I have about me comes from the Scottish in me, but many confuse it with an Eastern European personality.

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Edited by: warszawski Oct 17, 10, 17:00 #67

It would seem that the last of the Stuarts is from the Polish side.

http://www.baronage.co.uk/2003b/Pininski.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200205/ai_n9095921/

It happened that a young Polish refugee who had no idea that he was the senior male descendant of the last of the Stuarts, chose for his bride a Scottish girl who by strict female descent was the offspring of the archJacobite Camerons of Lochiel.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Ironside Oct 17, 10, 20:52 #68
warszawski: It would seem that the last of the Stuarts is from the Polish side. To make sure of it there is DNA test available!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 21:00 #69
Allison, smug air? Some Scots show that and some don't but I don't see it as being a Scottish trait. The same with Poles. Some show it and some don't. Stuarts? Not Stewarts? ;)

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,387 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:06 #70
Seanus: Stuarts? Not Stewarts? ;) Either,or The House of Stuart, also known as the House of Stewart, is an important European royal house.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:06 #71
Seanus: smug air? Isn't this a superior tune played on the pipes?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:09 #72
I wouldn't say so ;)

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:11 #73
Like a haunting air?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:15 #74
That's possible :)

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,387 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 22:18 #75
Trevek: I believe they were going to try to put a plaque to AC in the cathedral too (there was one there before the war), any idea if they have done so, yet? Did not do the museum,it was on a sunday. I was in Saint Johns today,but I did not look for any plaque. Next time I go I will ask the priest and let you know.

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Edited by: Barney Oct 17, 10, 22:29 #76
dtaylor5632: the guy is a really good historian Neil Oliver Yeah, he is a good presenter. Niall Ferguson on the other hand is a revisionist prick.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 12:23 #77
Allison: the smug air I have about me comes from the Scottish in me, One of the strangest inaccurate national stereotypes I've yet heard.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 12:25 #78
Teffle: One of the strangest inaccurate national stereotypes I've yet heard. Oh, I don't know. Put a Scot and an Englander in a room and the Scot will feel soooo smug that they aren't English.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 12:27 #79
Which tells me that she isn't really from there or lives in a closed circle of smug gits and doesn't venture outwith that. Many Poles and Scots tend to be rugged, if anything

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