Poland's biggest historical blunder?

Sokrates: I believe that the only solution in Ukraine, whether against Cossacks, ukrainian fascists from UPA or Banderas army is, was and will be overwhelming terror, thats the only thing these people respect,try and talk to them like a human being and they'll murder your family, kill off half of them and they'll make you king.

You have a dislike of Ukrainians?...Is this personal or is there more to it?...

so I should be anti-Ukrainian but I'm not.

Yes and i believe that the Cossacks should have been hunted down and exterminated,

the supposed sale to the USSR at Yalta

we have been steadily rising in terms of economy and power.

Combined effect of our energy and German apathy (also to reproduce) will make us the kings of central Europe, like we should always be but for various reasons haven't been for the last 400 years LOL

Germany could have you left out to dry after the iron curtain fell but they lobbied for Poland to join the EU...did you ever wonder why?
Poland get's Billions of EU-funds...Germany invest heavily in Poland...1/3 of your whole trade is with Germany...did you ever wonder why?

Germany doesn't invest that heavily though. We're getting like €70B over a 7 year period, which is peanuts and a tiny percentage of our GDP. It's nice that we're getting those money, but it's not crucial.

You Germans surely liked your Russian overlords.

ROFL
You would still look like Ukraine without Germany!

Well, we fighted them and their victory cost them dearly...what did the Poles do again? Licking boots and saying "thank you" for 40 years ?

You keep saying that, but we never looked like Ukraine.

Conditionis in Poland were very bad after communism fell, like hell on earth... you would not want to be there lets just put it that way. There were hardly any jobs, poverty was very high, the environment was polluted from industrial waste and coal power plants, crime was very high there were lots of gangs stealing from people. Compare the worst neighborhoods in America with the worst poverty and crime and put that into a whole country and that is what life was like. Buildings were run down and crumbling. People had just enough money to buy groceries, pay for heat, and go to church, a very simple life. A lot has changed since then. I know because my parents left Poland for American in 81 right before Solidarity, and we took several trips to visit relatives and see thehome land.

Very few people had cars, and those that did could not drive hardly anywhere because of fuel costs and lack of gas stations.. most people residing in urban centers had to walk or use tramwaje. Those living in rural areas stayed on their farms and ranches and never left their towns for years because they could not afford to.

LOL wut

OMG
Now it's stop being funny...Poles were "saved" and "rescued" by your dear slavic brothers the Russians and said "thank you" for decades afterwards.

Germany was the arch enemy and lost the most bloody war there ever was, we suffered occupation by the victors...how dare you to compare a proud warrior nation with bootlickers like Poles is outrageous.

And with what reason actually? You are really a twofaced people, b*itching about your "enemies" when nobody looks but openly bowing to either russian occupation or taking unashamedly german money and support as much as you can.

1) that GrzegorzK's post iss a load of crap.

2) Poland wasn't saved or rescued, unlike in Germany there was active and ongoing underground resistance against Russian occupation - case in point we were the first who got rid of it

3) we were bigger losers in that war than Germany, in terms of demographics, culture and infrastructure

You never paid back for all the things you destroyed and stole during WW2. Handing money now is the only right thing to do.

Poland looked worse than the GDR in 1989, and that means something....fact!

That's why your country today is as big as Germany with not even the half of it's people...

Give back what is now west Poland and we can talk about reparations...

We looked worse in terms of infrastructure, but we were more energetic and crime was actually smaller.

It seems you can't organise daily life by yourselves, you need some overlords or the country is overrun by crazy nazis (why are there still nazis in Germany?).

But who caused that?

Our superior culture would never spring a thought of exterminating other nations, much less actually turning it into reality.

Germany needs Poland if only to have a moral model to follow.

Really! You were more "energetic"! In what way...car theft??? Some support for that statement, a statistic or something?

Well...PolsciDump and even Sokrates tell you otherwise...but you never pull anything off...from far above in lala-land! ;)

...for that we have France! :(

I think this is a good place to insert some wisdom: "It is what it is."

Poland after dealing with the fact that Russian market collapsed picked up the steam and has been more dynamic ever since. That's as good measure of energy as any.

The point of the discussion at hand is to stomp over each other, not to reach some universal wisdom! :P

I think this is a good place to insert some wisdom: "It is what it is." Squabbling about what happened and who has been tougher, smarter, more generous, more powerful or in better shape now versus then, etc. is so pointless. What will happen if everyone agrees it was this way or that way? Nothing.

From across the ocean, it looks like everybody needs each other to prosper. But yeah...it is understandable that the past still haunts. But it is the past. You know the saying, nothing can change the past, and all the worrying about the future cannot accomplish anything. Now is the only time we have where what we do makes a difference.

The point of the discussion at hand is to stomp over each other, not to reach some universal wisdom! :P

maybe mobilise and fight?send help?so what "things"did it do?

of course, the Communists that You supported, killed many (mostly Poles), who is explainnig them?

What about forming the Western front with France and hitting them from the other side?

Kinda like the British breaking the treaties with Czekoslovakia in 1938 so that Germans could take it over and then blaming Poles for taking back a few hectares from the Czechs already betrayed by the British and French.

And we give out alot of money to Poland too....have to invest in our colonies! And we have that money...after all you will be well looked after subjects of Berlin!

When will your leaders get smart and go back to sovereignty?

Big Polish historical blunders were: Invasion of Lithuania after WWI

Hmmm...that's why millions of Poles left for better shores?

Lithuania was still a sovereign country though, Koala. Therefore, how can you condone invasion?

If possible, you must remember that Catherine II done it with much greater army than Poland could possibly muster for a needed period of time.

Lithuania was still a sovereign country though, Koala. Therefore, how can you condone invasion?

This intelligent guy continues spreading hate against Ukies without any understandable reason.

Antek_Stalich:

Big Polish historical blunders were: Invasion of Lithuania after WWI
I wouldn't call it a blunder, given the circumstances and ethnicity of the region itself.

Remember Silesian Uprisings? Technically speaking, Upper Silesia should have been divided in a number of boroughs belonging to Poland and other boroughs belonging to Germany, if it had to be right. I do not think there were many Poles in villages surrounding Wilno.

Try to see it from the Lithuanian perspective. They are separate people who wanted their own land. The Russians helped them in that regard. Where else were they to go, the Soviet Union?

I wouldn't call it a blunder, given the circumstances and ethnicity of the region itself.