"Poland's Concentration Camp"???

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Jun 18, 10, 14:38 #391
I also don't see what the fuss is. I've seen much more insulting and misleading things in the press. But if so many people are bothered by it then I guess it would be better to be more careful.

RogalskiThreads: 9 Posts: 146 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 14:42 #392
vetala: Calling them Polish concentration camps leaves a little room for misinterpretation (linguistically), I would agree with Jola on this one and would support having not only the accurate but also the politically correct label of "Nazi death camps in Poland."

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 16:36 #393
Yeah man?! What's the fuss about? Matowy: but everyone knows who they were managed by Matowy: Calling them Polish concentration camps leaves no room in brain for other thoughts.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 16:48 #394
vetala: I also don't see what the fuss is I'll briefly explain; I've had conversations with people who don't know anything about WWII and a few believed that Poles were the Nazis. That affects innocent Poles who are considered the bad guys. Unfortunately, image is considered reality. Hope this helps.

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Jun 18, 10, 17:08 #395

ZIMMY:

I'll briefly explain; I've had conversations with people who don't know anything about WWII

Then you shouldn't waste your time talking to such people. It would take a massive effort of being willfully ignorant to not know anything about the largest war the world has ever seen. I don't see the point in adjusting something just to cater to the dumbest possible people. People like that need a lot more than some phrase changes to get some sense knocked into them.

ZIMMY:

That affects innocent Poles who are considered the bad guys.

There are no "bad guys" anymore. WWII is over, Nazism is dead, that's it. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't going to be dissuaded by calling Polish concentration camps "Concentration camps located in Poland".

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Jun 18, 10, 17:27 #396
ender Dear God, what is this?... Ok, now I get your point. ZIMMY Just changing the wording won't change people's misconceptions, something more is needed.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 17:42 #397
Matowy, I remember the American terrorist act was in 2001, but can you remind me when was the British terrorist act. Can you also find The Wall Street Journal 's articles where they refer to it as such? Thank you.

POLENGGGsThreads: 5 Posts: 211 Joined: Apr 26, 10 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 17:50 #398
Matowy: Nazism is dead It still alive, across Europe, and in the USA too. Maybe instead of worrying about the camp being called Polish or German, the people would write that many Polish people died there, all sorts, not only worshippers of the Jewish faith.

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Jun 18, 10, 18:20 #399

Matowy:

you shouldn't waste your time talking to such people.

Conversations come up and besides, what's wrong with telling ignorant people the truth?

Matowy:

It would take a massive effort of being willfully ignorant to not know anything about the largest war the world has ever seen.

Your faith in the U.S. educational system is unwarranted. Academia is run by liberals who don't teach - they preach.

Matowy:

People like that need a lot more than some phrase changes to get some sense knocked into them.

Words are very important. They magnify or diminish a meaning, sometimes to the point of changing it. That's why advertising works.

Poles have been the worst at PR.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 18, 10, 18:31 #400
There are many hard thinkers in Poland, concentration is important. However, if Komorowski gets in, I think a concentration camp will seem like a good idea.

noreenbThreads: 3 Posts: 952 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Edited by: noreenb Jun 28, 10, 15:30 #401
I am afraid that I will not read carefully all thread, but I just wanted to realise to some people that three questions marks at the end of the question of the thread are strange. There are no concentration camps in Poland. In Poland were concentration camps. I do not have a clue who invented a title but a verb in it could be useful for some native English readers.

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Nov 1, 10, 20:54 #402

Since location of these camps is Poland, nobody can forbid using terms "Poland's concentration camps" unless it refers to other features than location. It is a problem, but a very small in comparison with other events that are going on. It looks whole campaign against "Poland's concetration camps" it is just a trap for Poles.
Auschwitz can hardly be called "Polish". I remember an American tv program "Larry King Live". In the end Larry King said: "A cross must disappear from Aschwitz". Soon after there was no cross in Aschwitz. That is why i think that Poles, who run Aschwitz, are very subservient to foreigners. For a while Auschwitz was a good business for Poles, since people from around the world were coming. This business was removed by force - commercial activity is not allowed around Auschwitz. The same way Polish church was removed from Auschwitz. These are big problems, not few quotes that nobody cares about.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,547 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Nov 1, 10, 22:19 #403
If you are sick and gtired of reading or hearing baout allegedly 'Polish gas chambers', 'Polish death camps' and 'Polish crematoria', sign this petiton beign ciruclated by the Kościuszko Foundation of NYC. http://www.thekf.org/events/news/petition/?lang=en-us&agent=msie8&acti on=view&mode=&q=&date=&sistart=120&count=2&sistart=240

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Nov 1, 10, 22:39 #404
Good idea. As far as the title of this thread. "Protest v 'Polish concentration camps' If "v" stands for versus than I think it'd have been better to say "Protest against..." Just my take on it.

PennBoyThreads: 147 Posts: 3,270 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Nov 1, 10, 23:53 #405
Polonius3: Protest v 'Polish concentration camps'

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,858 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 2, 10, 00:55 #406
does it matter where the camps were, all it matters is that Germans were running the camps and millions of people dies horrible dead and let not forget who perish.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 10, 01:00 #407
Marek11111: does it matter where the camps were, all it matters is that Germans were running the camps and millions of people dies horrible dead and let not forget who perish. The one decent statement in this thread.

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Edited by: warszawski Nov 2, 10, 01:15 #408

Marek11111:

does it matter where the camps were, all it matters is that Germans were running the camps and millions of people dies horrible dead and let not forget who perish.

Jewish society's have been very active over the last 60 years in making sure that people do not forget history. The jews publicize there own persecution in the camps, it is not up to them to make people aware their were others victims in the camps. So it is on the heads of Catholic or Polish foundations to step up to the plate and remember their own victims of the camps, and make sure that people don't ever forget.

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Nov 2, 10, 01:57 #409

warszawski:

Jewish society's have been very active over the last 60 years in making sure that people do not forget history. The jews publicize there own persecution in the camps, it is not up to them to make people aware their were others victims in the camps. So it is on the heads of Catholic or Polish foundations to step up to the plate and remember their own victims of the camps, and make sure that people don't ever forget.

Er, if you want to talk about percentage of population killed during the holocaust, the Romani people put Jews well and truly into the shade. Sadly the number of memoirials to those people is hugely lacking in Poland and the rest of central & eastern Europe. I mean, the holocaust of europe's Romani people was so extreme that some languages became extinct due to it!

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Nov 2, 10, 02:14 #410
Harry: Er, if you want to talk about percentage of population killed during the holocaust, the Romani people put Jews well and truly into the shade. It's not a competition, Harry. No matter how much you'd wish it to be.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,995 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 10, 03:29 #411
Bzibzioh: It's not a competition, Harry. No matter how much you'd wish it to be. And there's the problem with the holocaust: what it should have been was a race; a race to wipe out the creatures which ended up siring the mistakes that sired you. I always said that Hitler was an under-achiever.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,648 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀	Nov 2, 10, 04:37 #412
Hi, this is Harry. I can’t come to have an intelligent discourse right now because I'm brain-damaged psychopath … but if you leave your name and number, I will get back to you as soon as I come up with further verbal venom that proves my lack of any ability to look at facts and draw my own conclusions. Thanks. BEEP……………….

MediaWatchThreads: 29 Posts: 1,264 Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂	Nov 2, 10, 08:15 #413
Harry: And there's the problem with the holocaust: what it should have been was a race; a race to wipe out the creatures which ended up siring the mistakes that sired you. I always said that Hitler was an under-achiever. Harry, I always knew you liked Hitler.

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Edited by: Bogusio Nov 2, 10, 08:45 #414

>> Marek11111
>> does it matter where the camps were, all it matters is that Germans were running the
>> camps and millions of people dies horrible dead and let not forget who perish.

Of course, it matters who were running camps and it matters were it was. The problem is that the statement "Poland's concentration camps" does not deny that Germans were running these camps. The purpose Poles insisted to fight with this statement is very simple. They show themselves as good guys fighting with bad guys and they do not insult anybody. If they were fighting, for example, for a cross in Auschwitz, they would have many enemies. I hate such behavior.

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Nov 7, 10, 01:58 #415

Harry:

if you want to talk about percentage of population killed during the holocaust, the Romani people put Jews well and truly into the shade

Not so. Between 220,000 to 1,500,000 Roma and Sinti victims perished during the Porajmos -- compare this to approximately 6,000,000 Jews. At least get it right, loser.

Anyway, on another note, my boyfriend was telling me about the way that Poland's actions during the war are viewed (he's a Polish Jew), and I am literally astonished. I cannot believe that there is such "guilt by association". My boyfriend thinks it's crazy too. I saw someone on this thread saying that "American kids were brainwashed to believe that the Poles were as bad as the Nazis" -- this is appalling! As a Brit, I've always thought of the Poles as our brothers-in-arms; we fought beside them against the greatest evil history has ever known, while their country was overrun and they were oppressed by Nazi pigs...
Furthermore, my boyfriend also told me that the Polish resistance saved more Jewish lives than any other allied organization or government -- why isn't that ever mentioned anywhere? Seriously, this is terrible, and I'm really sorry that Poland's got this reputation.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,346 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Nov 7, 10, 02:06 #416
Spaniel: the Poles were as bad as the Nazis During this war, some people would turn to extremes to survive.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Nov 7, 10, 02:08 #417
Spaniel: Nazi pigs Cats! Nazi cats...

SpanielThreads: 2 Posts: 16 Joined: Oct 7, 10 ♀	Nov 7, 10, 02:08 #418
dtaylor5632: During this war, some people would turn to extremes to survive. I totally agree. But that in no way makes a person as bad as the Nazis!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Nov 7, 10, 02:10 #419
Spaniel: I totally agree. But that in no way makes a person as bad as the Nazis! Oh please....as a Brit you better clean up your own imperial history first before you go all righteous on everybody else!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 7, 10, 02:15 #420
dtaylor5632: you.........you ...........currywurst lover!!!! I feel so NOT insulted! Yummy! :)

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