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 Nov 7, 10, 02:28    #421
Bratwurst Boy:

Oh please....as a Brit you better clean up your own imperial history first before you go all righteous on everybody else!


What? I'm defending Poland. I'm saying Poles during the war were nothing like the Nazis, nowhere near, and should never be considered as such. The Poles were our allies. They were on the good side.

Britain may have a very bloody imperial history, but please, we're not as bad as the Nazis!

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 Nov 7, 10, 02:31    #422
Spaniel:
Britain may have a very bloody imperial history, but please, we're not as bad as the Nazis!

BB is German and loves the nazi's ;)
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 Nov 7, 10, 02:32    #423
dtaylor5632:
BB is German and loves the nazi's ;)


Everything slots into place.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 7, 10, 02:48    #424
Spaniel:
Britain may have a very bloody imperial history, but please, we're not as bad as the Nazis!


You were worse....wanna count corpses?
How do you think the British empire came to rule half of the world once? Peacefully?
And how do you think the enslaving and exploitation of whole countries worked?
The natives just smiled and nodded?

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/12/27/how-britain-denies-its-holo causts/

...
In his book Late Victorian Holocausts, published in 2001, Mike Davis tells the story of the famines which killed between 12 and 29 million Indians(1). These people were, he demonstrates, murdered by British state policy.
...
Within the labour camps, the workers were given less food than the inmates of Buchenwald. In 1877, monthly mortality in the camps equated to an annual death rate of 94%.
...
Three recent books - Britain’s Gulag by Caroline Elkins, Histories of the Hanged by David Anderson and Web of Deceit by Mark Curtis - show how white settlers and British troops suppressed the Mau Mau revolt in Kenya in the 1950s.
Thrown off their best land and deprived of political rights, the Kikuyu started to organise - some of them violently - against colonial rule. The British responded by driving up to 320,000 of them into concentration camps(3).
Most of the remainder - over a million - were held in “enclosed villages”.
Prisoners were questioned with the help of “slicing off ears, boring holes in eardrums, flogging until death, pouring paraffin over suspects who were then set alight, and burning eardrums with lit cigarettes.”(4) British soldiers used a “metal castrating instrument” to cut off testicles and fingers.

“By the time I cut his balls off,” one settler boasted, “he had no ears, and his eyeball, the right one, I think, was hanging out of its socket”(5). The soldiers were told they could shoot anyone they liked “provided they were black”(6)
...

That happened during the 50's...probably the same soldiers fighting for the "freedom of the western civilization" against the mean Nazi pigs shortly before...now shove your self-righteousness where the sun doesn't shine!

dtaylor5632:
BB is German and loves the nazi's ;)


...and Currywurst! ;)
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Edited by: A J  Nov 7, 10, 03:31    #425
Bratwurst Boy:
But I get pimples if someone like you tries to sell me his moral horse but having the same dirty hands as everybody else!


It's not that I disagree with your logic, because I do, but I just really wanted to add that none of *our* hands are actually *that* dirty.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 7, 10, 03:33    #426
A J:

It's not that I disagree with your logic, because I do, but I just really wanted to add that none of *our* hands are actually *that* dirty.


In the case of Holland lack of means only!
Lots of Dutchies were proud members of the Waffen-SS...being great little Nazis.

But even so:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/colonial-atrocities-explode-my th-of-dutch-tolerance-1439153.html

Colonial atrocities explode myth of Dutch tolerance


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Edited by: A J  Nov 7, 10, 03:37    #427
Bratwurst Boy:
In the case of Holland lack of means only!
Lots of Dutchies were proud members of the Waffen-SS...being great little Nazis.


That's not what I meant. I meant to say none of us (meaning we, today, now, us, our generation, the people who discuss this topic.) actively have had a hand in these genocides which occurred in the past.

Bratwurst Boy:
But even so:


Thanks for the history lesson, but I'm aware of our history. (which has been pretty violent and pretty brutal for such a small country.)
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 Nov 7, 10, 03:38    #428
Bratwurst Boy:
And British murders are of course cool, Nazi murders not.


No one is ever talking about the cruelty of the "winners", once you lose, you'll be always blamed for everything anyway. Also, each country teaches different history and so seeing, we're all just wasting time here (brotlose Kunst).
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 Nov 7, 10, 03:41    #429
A J:
Thanks for the history lesson, but I'm aware of our history. (which has been pretty violent and pretty brutal for such a small country.)


Well..you are Germans after all! heh:)
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 Nov 7, 10, 03:43    #430
Bratwurst Boy:
In the case of Holland lack of means only!


And Germany too! Jesus Christ, if your nation wasn't so crap at being colonial you would have been just like everyone else; indeed, the Herero and Namaqua Genocide springs to mind!
I suppose you think the Nazis are no worse than the Roman Empire either?

There's a reason Nazi Germany's actions are considered the worst in History. It's because they are.

That aside, I agree with your point, AJ. None of *our* hands are actually dirty.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Nov 7, 10, 04:13    #431
Spaniel:
Is Nazi actions aren't considered the worst in history, why is it that it's acceptable to go to a party dressed as an English soldier from the 1800s or a Roman footsoldier, but not as a member of the SS?


Well...give some more 50 years ;)

I doubt the relatives of the starved Indian or the slaughtered Mau Mau would be keen on your uniform either.
Nor did the gaul slaves love to be clothed like their murderers and enslavers.

But there are already alot of Waffen-SS reenactment groups quite active...

Spaniel:
Do you not think the Nazis are bad?


The Nazis were bad, period!
But saying they had an monopoly on badness is just plain wrong, sorry. And especially coming from a Brit, excuse me...

Spaniel:
To say, "Clean up your own imperial history" in response to my post is ultimately nonsense – the Nazis were Evil.


You didn't hear that often enough it seems. Get used to it.
And even if you don't want to hear it....there is no difference between the british soldier killing a Mau Mau child and german soldier killing a jewish child.
Sorry for you but every difference you try to make up to somehow make the actions of your own soldiers as not as look as bad are just artificial...both are "evil" as you say so nice.

Spaniel:
The fact that I have terrible things in my history does not prohibit me from criticising another regime.


If you want to put them on a pedestal for apologizing for your own black spots of history as "not as bad"...of course!

A J:
See? Americans call you Dutch! So therefore, in English, you are Dutch!


Manno, it's the Amis....they couldn't differentiate between us if their life depends on it.
Do you really want to use THEM as proof??? ;):):)

We know better... ;)
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Edited by: guesswho  Nov 7, 10, 04:22    #432
Spaniel:
If Nazi actions aren't considered the worst in history


well, Nazis did many terrible things but here I got some interesting youtube videos and links for you guys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-VLz5Kw92A&feature=related

I could present whole bunch of those but to be honest, we all should finally see that the WW2 is over and move on.

I also don't understand why there's so much hatred between the Dutch and the Germans,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_SS_Volunteer_Panzer_Grenadier_Divisi on_Nederland

As you see, just about anyone has dirty hands so why spit in each other faces.
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 Nov 8, 10, 10:41    #433
people, the more room you give these poeple in these forums the more you allow their vial to corupt the memory and the truth of what happened. my advice is, dont respond. i know its hard not to, but like most of you my family suffered, i wont allow these bitter, twisted morons to tarnish the truth about WWII. harry will be better off putting on his nazi uniform and have a public forum of his own in his own town.

dont respond to him!


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 Nov 8, 10, 10:48    #434
chaza:
harry will be better off putting on his nazi uniform

Now there is a new one! Although anybody who says "to the nazis the poles were less that vermin, remenber what happened at katytn." as chaza said here can expected to have somewhat ill-informed views.
PolishBread-OK  Dec 20, 11, 22:18    #435
The term Poland Concentration Camp is inaccurate. Quite rightly is should be The Former German Concentration Camp of: Auschwitz-Birkenau and Buna. I like Poles but it needs to be said that during the war 'they were mostly Pro-German'. If the Germans had sweet talked them then the Polish nation would have overwhelmingly voted to join Germany as for instance Austria did. Most Poles accepted the German invasion and would have elected to sit the war out. This did happen with most of them - and thank God for that. Some got arrested for mostly minor offences and ended up in Concentration Camps. In these camps they were starved, lost weight, became quite ill, lost their looks, fitness and vigour and for this reason were selected for death. In the camps they got the best jobs and held important camp positions. They were 2nd to the Communists who had overall more intelligentsia in their ranks which quality appealed to the Germans camp leaders as needed in any sub-leader appointments. Suffice to say in the camps the Poles were anti-Jewish, anti-Gypsy and anti-gay, which simply reflected their beliefs outside the camp.

It needs to be said that a sizable portion of Poles have German Ancestry. These are the often the elite and many Poles have achieved world wide fame. All in all I would rather have a Pole As My Friend Than As My Enemy. When it comes to bravery then the tow famous RAF Polish Air Force Squadrons indicate 'the true nature of Poles and Polish Patriotism. In Europe there are only two really ancient and historical nations [they are]: The English and the Poles. For all practical purposes 'undefeatable brothers in war'. The PRIDE of Poland was murdered at Katyn, murdered during WW2, and deported and killed by Stalin's Commissars 1944 - 1964. If any nation deserves the title BETRAYED, then its the Poles and Poland. Thank You Poland [A British Admmirer] 20/12/2011.
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 Dec 20, 11, 22:23    #436
Hi PolskiMoc, back again are we?
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 Dec 20, 11, 22:59    #437
delphiandomine:
Hi PolskiMoc, back again are we?

He is your alter-ego !lol
Lyzko  Dec 20, 11, 23:16    #438
"Worst" crimes in history is literally impossible to judge, as not ALL crimes in history are part of recorded history! The Nazis certainly perpetrated a systematically sadistic, not to mention capriciously meeted out, form of brutality upon several groups exclusively, the Jews first and foremost, along with the Sinti-Romas and homosexuals as a group, be they Aryan-German, Jewish, Polish Catholics etc...for nothing other than pure ideological=biological hatred.

Perhaps only the Turks (Muslims) slaughter of the Armenians (Christians) is anywhere near comparable, of only because Hitler himself once was said to have boasted to party skeptics, "Yes, but then who remembers the Armenians!"
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 Dec 21, 11, 01:14    #439
PolishBread-OK:
In these camps they [Poles] were starved, lost weight, became quite ill, lost their looks


Yeah, this always bothered me the most ...
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 Dec 21, 11, 08:55    #440
PolishBread-OK:
If the Germans had sweet talked them then


They prefered to exterminate about 3 million of ethnic Poles instead of engaging in sweet talking.


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