"Poland's Concentration Camp"???

Really? what was it called, silly old me, there was I was thinking that Poland was "occupied" does that mean that there was no France or Holland?

Concerns about the use of the term led the Polish government to request that UNESCO change the official name of Auschwitz from "Auschwitz Concentration Camp" to "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau." to make it clear that the concentration camp was operated by Germans, not Poles. On 28 June 2007 at its meeting in Christchurch, New Zealand, the World Heritage Committtee of UNESCO changed the name of the camp to "Auschwitz Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945).

I’m not talking about the death camps which were run during the war.

Nice of you to make sure you get the traditional anti-semitic comment in there. Don’t want to miss a chance to kick the Jews, do you?

I think that you are wrong because free Poland ran its very own concentration camp before the war. You can not blame Nazis or the Soviets for that; it was a 100% Polish product.

Yes that’s right, I’ve said that Jews are not pure and innocent.

The Jewish Order Service was also active in some of the Nazi concentration camps.

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

Yes and Hitler also personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp. Er, no, it was actually Stalin who personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp.

"Place of Isolation at Bereza Kartuska") was a Polish prison for political prisoners that was operated in 1934–39 at Bereza Kartuska in the former Polesie Voivodeship (today in Belarus, near the city of Brest).

Some 16,000 persons passed through Bereza Kartuska over the period of its operation. These included members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Polish Communist Party (KPP) and National Radical Camp (ONR)

Over the five years of the prison's operation, the total number of associated deaths is variously given as between 17 and 20

Yes, concentration camps did exist after May 1945.
(As it was still seen as something usable)

"Place of Isolation at Bereza Kartuska") was a Polish prison for political prisoners that was operated in 1934–39 at Bereza Kartuska in the former Polesie Voivodeship (today in Belarus, near the city of Brest).



Some 16,000 persons passed through Bereza Kartuska over the period of its operation. These included members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Polish Communist Party (KPP) and National Radical Camp (ONR)


prison for nazis and commies.


Over the five years of the prison's operation, the total number of associated deaths is variously given as between 17 and 20



IT WAS PRISON for people who invaded Poland Nazis and Commies. Yes pre war Poland was strongly anti Nazi and anti Commie. Beautiful free Poland. :)

I am proud of it.

A number of modern non-Soviet sources have also characterized the facility as a concentration camp, including Yale University professor Timothy Snyder, the Library of Congress, and the Polish Nobel prize-winning author Czesław Miłosz.[11][12] [13] Ukrainian sources such as Kubijovych and Idzio representing the Ukrainian Nationalist camp of the interpretation of History also catagorize Bereza Kartuska as a concentration camp.[14] Polish-British historian Tadeusz Piotrowski who also calls it a concentration camp notes that is establishment of the facility was a norm of its times, similar to camps estabilished by Americans for Japanese during WWII, by Canadians for Ukrainians during WWI, and – as also noted by Norman Davies – on a much smaller scale than those projects (not to mention the giant German or Soviet networks of concentration camps).

Jews, Commies, Nazis, they're all untermenschen when compared to the glorious, pure, innocent Pole, eh Lukasz?

The General Jewish Labour Union of Lithuania, Poland and Russia, in Yiddish the Algemeyner Yidisher Arbeter Bund in Lite, Poyln un Rusland (אַלגעמײַנער ײדישער אַרבעטער בונד אין ליטע פוילין און רוסלאַנד), generally called The Bund (בונד, from German: Bund meaning federation or union) or the Jewish Labor Bund, was a Jewish political party in several European countries operating predominantly between the 1890s and the 1930s with remnants of the party still active in the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. A Member of the Bund is called a Bundist (Bundistn in the plural).

Poland and Lithuania became independent in 1918, and the Bund continued to operate in these countries, particularly in the heavily Jewish towns of West Belarus that became part of Poland. It also became active among the Jewish emigré community in New York. In Poland, the Bundists argued that Jews should stay and fight for socialism rather than emigrate. When the Revisionist Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky toured Poland urging the "evacuation" of European Jewry, the Bundists accused him of abetting anti-Semitism. Another non-Zionist Yiddishist Jewish party at the time in Lithuania and Poland was the Folkspartei.

During World War II the Bund continued to operate as an underground organization in Poland. In 1942, the Bundist Marek Edelman became a cofounder of the Jewish Fighting Organization that led the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and was also part of the Polish resistance movement Armia Krajowa (Home Army), which fought against the Nazis in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising.

However, the Bund took part in the post-war elections of 1947 on a common ticket with the (non-communist) Polish Socialist Party (PPS) and gained its first and only parliamentary seat in its Polish history, plus several seats in municipal councils. Under pressure from Soviet-installed Communist authorities, the Bund's leaders 'voluntarily' disbanded the party in 1948-1949 against the opposition of many activists. The latter included Marek Edelman, who, in 1976, became an activist with the Komitet Obrony Robotników (Workers' Defense Committee) and later of the Solidarity movement. During the period of martial law in 1981, he was interned. He took part in the Round Table Talks and served as a member of the Sejm (Polish parliament) from 1989 until 1993.

Yes I am proud that Poland holded commies and nazis before WWII in prisons

Who to believe

Umm...Poland had Nazis before WWII???

silly old me

As for whether it was a prison or a concentration camp, let's see what respected academics have to say about it. From your Wikipedia link

Intervention of the Embassy of Poland in Paris against the term „Polish concentration camp” used on the memorial plaque for Aron Skrobek. December 2007, Paris.

like the ones run by "Soviets"

Harry

You mean like the ones which were running in Poland with 100% Polish staff up until 1956?

Since February 1945, the camp initially served the NKVD and then MBP as a prison camp for so-called "enemies of the nation" (wrogowie narodu). Some of them were German POWs (separately members of the Waffen-SS), while others were thousands of local German, Volksdeutsche, and Silesian civilians from Jaworzno, Chrzanów, and elsewhere in Silesia. There were also Poles who were arrested for their opposition to Stalinism, including members of the AK and BCh non-communist and WiN anti-communist Polish resistance organizations.

The camp was soon renamed "Central Labour Camp", and the prisoners mostly worked at the construction of the then-built Jaworzno power plant or in other nearby factories and mines. All of them were interned in separate subcamps, and the guards were soldiers of the Internal Security Corps (over 300 at first). One of the commandants (since 1949), was a Polish Jew Solomon Morel, who previously gained a reputation for cruelty in the camp in Świętochłowice. Others included Stanisław Kwiatkowski, Ivan Mordasov and Teofil Hazelmajer.

The NKVD (Russian: НКВД, Народный Комиссариат Внутренних Дел Narodnyy Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del listen (help·info)) or People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs was the leading secret police organization of the Soviet Union that was responsible for political repression during the Stalinist era. It conducted mass extrajudicial executions, ran the Gulag system of forced labor, suppressed underground resistance, conducted mass deportations of nationalities and "Kulaks" to unpopulated regions of the country, guarded state borders, conducted espionage and political assassinations abroad, was responsible for subversion of foreign governments, and enforced Stalinist policy within Communist movements in other countries.

Google Bereza Kartuska and read about Poland’s very own concentration camp.

The General Jewish Labour Union of Lithuania, Poland and Russia, in Yiddish the Algemeyner Yidisher Arbeter Bund in Lite, Poyln un Rusland (אַלגעמײַנער ײדישער אַרבעטער בונד אין ליטע פוילין און רוסלאַנד), generally called The Bund (בונד, from German: Bund meaning federation or union) or the Jewish Labor Bund, was a Jewish political party in several European countries operating predominantly between the 1890s and the 1930s with remnants of the party still active in the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. A Member of the Bund is called a Bundist (Bundistn in the plural).

During World War II the Bund continued to operate as an underground organization in Poland. In 1942, the Bundist Marek Edelman became a cofounder of the Jewish Fighting Organization that led the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and was also part of the Polish resistance movement Armia Krajowa (Home Army), which fought against the Nazis in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising.

However, the Bund took part in the post-war elections of 1947 on a common ticket with the (non-communist) Polish Socialist Party (PPS) and gained its first and only parliamentary seat in its Polish history, plus several seats in municipal councils. Under pressure from Soviet-installed Communist authorities, the Bund's leaders 'voluntarily' disbanded the party in 1948-1949 against the opposition of many activists. The latter included Marek Edelman, who, in 1976, became an activist with the Komitet Obrony Robotników (Workers' Defense Committee) and later of the Solidarity movement. During the period of martial law in 1981, he was interned. He took part in the Round Table Talks and served as a member of the Sejm (Polish parliament) from 1989 until 1993.

NKVD WAS SOVIET NOT POLISH ORGANISATION

Harry why you talk about anti Semitism in Poland when Jews who wanted to be good Polish citizens could be them

You claimed that AK was hunting on Jews

Facts are there for you to read, Poland fought until the end.

And the MBP? As in " the camp initially served the NKVD and then MBP". Who were the MBP? Poles, they were Poles.

Provided they were happy to sit on the ghetto benches in the segregated Polish universities. Of course the few who got in because the number of Jews was strictly controlled, wasn't it. And provided that they didn't want to be doctors or lawyers (couldn't join the professional associations for those) or work for the government or claim state welfare.

Żydowski Związek Wojskowy (ŻZW, Polish for Jewish Military Union) was an underground resistance organization operating during World War II in the area of the Warsaw Ghetto and fighting during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It was formed primarily of former officers of the Polish Army in late 1939, soon after the start of the German occupation of Poland.

Norman Davies

Sack was shocked with what he found in his seven years of research on the subject: 60,000-80,000 Germans and Poles were murdered in Jewish-run concentration camps, "more than the number of [Jews] who died at Belsen and Buchenwald.

"Jews," says Sack, "were sometimes as cruel as their exemplars at Auschwitz, and they even ran the organization that ran the prisons and ... the concentration camps for German civilians in Poland and Poland-administered Germany ... The Jews who committed [atrocities] covered them up ... I learned that in 1945 they killed a great number of Germans: not Nazis, not Hitler trigger men, but German civilians, German men, women, children, babies, whose 'crime' was just to be German ... The Germans lost more civilians [this way than] ... the Jews themselves lost in all of Poland's pogroms. So I had learned, and I was aghast to learn it."

Sack notes Jewish torturers sticking toads down peoples' throats, whippings, and some victims buried alive in potato sacks. A hundred non-Jews at the Myslowitz concentration camp, for instance, were murdered each day; the death rate in some Jewish-controlled camps was 80%.

it must be difficult to be a jewish youth indeed.
lets break down the basic programming they are exposed to:

1/ you are superior
2/ you have been and will be persecuted, all the world is your enemy
3/ you must fend for yourselves agressively and ruthlessly if you want to survive
4/ anybody who criticizes us is a nazi

Poland, first to fight (and first to surrender).

At no time did I say that. The AK did not hunt Jews, other resistance organisations did.

After the WWII some of the Jewish Police members immigrated to Israel and received benefits reserved for "Nazi victims". A number were later uncovered and disclosed.

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

Jewish Ghetto Police (German: Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst), also known as the Jewish Order Service and referred by the Jews as the Jewish Police, were the police units organized in the Jewish ghettos by the local Judenrat councils under German Nazi orders. The Jewish Order Service was also active in some of the Nazi concentration camps.

Davies' book?

place blame where it is due

"One of the commandants (since 1949), was a Polish Jew Solomon Morel, who previously gained a reputation for cruelty in the camp in Świętochłowice. Others included Stanisław Kwiatkowski, Ivan Mordasov and Teofil Hazelmajer."

Mordashov Hazelmajer Morel definately are not native Poles.

they could be doctors and lawers.

sums it up, doesn't it, Harry?

Harry:
Poland, first to fight (and first to surrender).

You are truly twisted and vicious dude.

Ok I see that good Jew from Poland is Jew

and bad Jew is Pole ...

there were some organisations who hunted Jews

but unlike our biased friend Harry it isn't cruel and is reasonable.

So you mean that because they had Jewish names, they could not possibly have been Polish. That says all that needs to be said about you: you view Jews and Poles as two separate races. To you a Jew can not be a Pole and vice versa. That is because you are what is referred to as a bigot.

Żydowski Związek Wojskowy (ŻZW, Polish for Jewish Military Union) was an underground resistance organization operating during World War II in the area of the Warsaw Ghetto and fighting during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It was formed primarily of former officers of the Polish Army in late 1939, soon after the start of the German occupation of Poland.

Due to its close ties with the all-national Armia Krajowa (AK), after the war the Communist authorities of Poland suppressed the publication of books and articles on ŻZW, whose role in the uprising in the ghetto was undervalued,[1] as opposed to a leftist Jewish organization Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa (Jewish Fighting Organization), whose role in the struggle is better covered in modern monographs and often overstated

Provided they were happy to sit on the ghetto benches in the segregated Polish universities. Which were introduced before or during the war? And provided they didn’t want to join the professional associations which regulated and validated those professions. And, of course, provided that they could get a place in universities which strictly controlled the number of Jews who would be permitted to pollute the hallowed Polish halls of learning with their presence.

Hurwicz is Regents’ Professor of Economics (Emeritus) at the University of Minnesota. He is among the first economists to recognize the value of game theory and is a pioneer in its application. Hurwicz shared the 2007 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences with Eric Maskin and Roger Myerson for their work on mechanism design.

Hurwicz was born in Moscow, Russia to a Jewish family a few months before the October Revolution. The family was Polish and had lived in Congress Kingdom (the part of Poland then within the Russian Empire) but had been displaced by World War I. Soon after Leonid's birth, the family returned to Warsaw, Poland.

Encouraged by his father to study law, in 1938 Hurwicz received his LL.M. degree from Warsaw University

Until the 1950s, a quota system at elite colleges and universities limited the number of Jewish students. Before 1945, only a few Jewish professors were permitted as instructors at elite universities. In 1941, anti-Semitism drove Milton Friedman from a non-tenured assistant professorship at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Harry Levin became the first Jewish full professor in the Harvard English department in 1943, but the Economics department decided not to hire Paul Samuelson in 1948. Harvard hired its first Jewish biochemists in 1954.

. Just as you doubtless view anybody who has black or yellow skin as being unable to be Polish.

As to Askhenazi DNA most of them are (J) middle east. In some groups there is high level of R1A1 and Q.

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכֲּנָזִים, pronounced [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], sing. [ˌaʃkəˈnazi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנָז, Yehudei Ashkenaz, "the Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities of the Rhineland. Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for the region which in modern times encompasses the country of Germany and German-speaking borderland areas. Ashkenaz is also a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). Thus, Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally "German Jews." The word "Ashkenazi" is pronounced with a [z] sound, rather than with [ts] as in a few similar instances in the English language.

Poland, first to fight (and first to surrender).

How come???

Previous Y chromosome studies have shown that the Cohanim, a paternally inherited Jewish priestly caste, predominantly
share a recent common ancestry irrespective of the geographically defined post-Diaspora community
to which they belong, a finding consistent with common Jewish origins in the Near East. In contrast, the Levites,
another paternally inherited Jewish caste, display evidence for multiple recent origins, with Ashkenazi Levites having
a high frequency of a distinctive, non–Near Eastern haplogroup. Here, we show that the Ashkenazi Levite microsatellite
haplotypes within this haplogroup are extremely tightly clustered, with an inferred common ancestor within
the past 2,000 years. Comparisons with other Jewish and non-Jewish groups suggest that a founding event, probably
involving one or very few European men occurring at a time close to the initial formation and settlement of the
Ashkenazi community, is the most likely explanation for the presence of this distinctive haplogroup found today
in 50% of Ashkenazi Levites.

If a European origin for the Ashkenazi Levite haplogroup
R1a1 component is accepted as a reasonable
possibility, it is of interest to speculate further on the
possible timing, location, and mechanism of this event.
Because the modal haplotype of haplogroup R1a1
found in the Ashkenazi Levites is found at reasonably
high frequency throughout the eastern European region

Intriguingly, the Sorbian
tongue, relexified with a German vocabulary, has been
proposed as the origin of Yiddish

there are some inaccuracies in this work. When more and more people will make DNA tests it will be easier to find final answer.

Intriguingly, the Sorbian
tongue, relexified with a German vocabulary, has been
proposed as the origin of Yiddish

Yiddish (ייִדיש yidish or אידיש idish, literally: "Jewish") is a non-territorial Germanic language, spoken throughout the world and written with the Hebrew alphabet.

It originated in the Ashkenazi culture that developed from about the 10th century in the Rhineland, and then spread to central and eastern Europe, and eventually to other continents.

Eastern and Western Yiddish are most markedly distinguished by the extensive inclusion of words of Slavic origin in the Eastern dialects. While Western Yiddish has few remaining speakers, Eastern dialects remain in wide use.