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HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 May 27, 08, 09:33    #241
Ozi Dan:
If memory serves me correctly, there were some discussions had on the forum several months ago about a piece of Polish legislation making it unlawful to make spurious allegations about Poland.

Do go right ahead and report me to the relevant authorities. I know plenty about media law and what one can and can not say about Poland and would just love the free publicity of a little pr*ck like you attempting to convince the authorities here to gag me. You make a complaint and they must investigate me. They investigate me and I've got my story. So go ahead.

celinski:
Simply you are taking victim's and blamming them for actions placed upon them. Placing responsibility on Poland is absurd.

So Poland bears no responsibilty for the pre-war concentration camp it ran? Yeah, right.
celinskiThreads: 83
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Harry:
just love the free publicity of a little pr*ck like you attempting to convince the authorities here to gag me.



I think it's clear with your foul temper tantrums the only paper that would hire you is under ground anyway.

Harry:
So Poland bears no responsibilty for the pre-war concentration camp it ran? Yeah, right.


Why you continue to go in circles I have no clue. It's as if you goal in life is to hurt people. For someone that spends as much time as you do spreading bul* sh*t just think of what you could do if you put that energy into something positive.
LukaszThreads: 73
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Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Lukasz  May 27, 08, 10:06    #243
don' talk to this idiot all arguments have been presented he is going to post here all the time.


Firslly he claimed that Poland runed camps durring WWII now he changes his mind.

Before after ... all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

Concerns about the use of the term "Polish death camp" led the Polish government to request that UNESCO change the official name of Auschwitz from "Auschwitz Concentration Camp" to "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau"[1] in order to make clearer that the concentration camp was built and operated by Germans, not Poles. On 28 June 2007 at its meeting in Christchurch, New Zealand, the World Heritage Committee of UNESCO changed the name of the camp to "Auschwitz Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)."[2][3] Previously, some media, including Der Spiegel in Germany, had called the camp "Polish".[4]
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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Joined: Mar 24, 08 ♂ 		 May 27, 08, 10:15    #244
Lukasz:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp


Amusingly ironic that despite "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau" having abolutely nothing to do with Poland or the Polish in any possible way, its still refered to as 'Polish_death_camp' on the wiki link.

Youve got to laugh really
celinskiThreads: 83
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VaFunkoolo:
Youve got to laugh really


Wiki= ? Anyone can put things there and there are alot of incorrect information that need to be fixed.
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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Joined: Mar 24, 08 ♂ 		 May 27, 08, 10:47    #246
Well celinski, this is surely another cause for you to champion. Why not start a campaign to have the link name changed. The Polish government will surely be interested in this continued and high profile vilification of Poland and I suspect UNESCO might like to get involved too.
HarryThreads: 62
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Lukasz:
Firslly he claimed that Poland runed camps durring WWII now he changes his mind.

You pathetic liar. I claimed no such thing. I stated the fact that Poland ran concentration camps before and after WWII.
celinskiThreads: 83
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Harry:
You pathetic liar. I claimed no such thing.


Harry:
Now tell us how yu feel about Poland running the Auschwitz concentration camp until 1947 and one of the Auschwitz subcamps until 1956.
Grzegorz_Threads: 81
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Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂ 		 May 27, 08, 11:50    #249
Harry:

So Poland bears no responsibilty for the pre-war concentration camp it ran? Yeah, right.


Rat, you mean the "camp" for commies ? We should be proud of It and you go make your stinking oy vey somewhere else.
HarryThreads: 62
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celinski:
Harry:
You pathetic liar. I claimed no such thing.



Harry:
Now tell us how yu feel about Poland running the Auschwitz concentration camp until 1947 and one of the Auschwitz subcamps until 1956.

Well done Carol. You've just proved that I stated that Poland ran concentration camps after WWII, in other words: exactly what I said I had stated. Nice work.

Grzegorz_:
Rat, you mean the "camp" for commies ? We should be proud of It and you go make your stinking oy vey somewhere else.

Oh look! A racist sack of sh*t making racist comments! Who would have thought we would ever see that?
southernThreads: 116
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 May 27, 08, 12:11    #251
Harry,the concentration camps in Poland before the WW2 were run by aliens.They used them to land UFOs and stuff.Now they build some camps for you.You have to run to catch them before it is too late.
HarryThreads: 62
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southern:
Harry,the concentration camps in Poland before the WW2 were run by aliens.They used them to land UFOs and stuff.Now they build some camps for you.You have to run to catch them before it is too late.

That's about as truthful as the majority of the explanations given by some of the Polish (and psuedo-Polish) posters in this thread.
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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[quote=southern]Harry,the concentration camps in Poland before the WW2 were run by aliens.They used them to land UFOs and stuff.Now they build some camps for you.You have to run to catch them before it is too late.

lol southern..

ground control to major tom..
cygThreads: 8
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Joined: Oct 31, 07 ♂ 		 May 29, 08, 06:28    #254
Has anyone here noticed that you're talking about two different things - concentration camps and death camps? German death camps were called concentration camps, but they bear little similarity to British, Polish or American camps of this type. The Brits invented the concentration camp during the Boer War, and I'm sure they weren't pleasant things, just as Bereza Kartuska wasn't, and you can argue about the rightfulness of what was being done there, but comparing them to Auschwitz or Buchenwald is a complete misunderstanding, IMHO.
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cyg:
Has anyone here noticed that you're talking about two different things - concentration camps and death camps?

I tried to point to some it but the flier writing scribe won't pick the theme up. He's a catch phrases kind of fella. Not surprising for a scribe who lives off low grade pamphlets.
HarryThreads: 62
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cyg:
Has anyone here noticed that you're talking about two different things - concentration camps and death camps? German death camps were called concentration camps, but they bear little similarity to British, Polish or American camps of this type. The Brits invented the concentration camp during the Boer War, and I'm sure they weren't pleasant things, just as Bereza Kartuska wasn't, and you can argue about the rightfulness of what was being done there, but comparing them to Auschwitz or Buchenwald is a complete misunderstanding, IMHO.

Hi Boss,

I've noticed that. But some of your countrymen don't seem to get the difference.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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Harry:
But some of your countrymen don't seem to get the difference.


It's not just "some of your countrymen". Ask anybody in UK, US, EU or pretty much anywahere in the world what the word "concentration camp" stands for. The term has become a buzz word and, is more often than not, understood as a death camp where Jews where killed.

As a self styled scribe you should at least be open to understanding of the issue. Words are supposed to be your tools of the trade. If you can't use them then you should learn a lot more before speaking up. If you understand them then you are just a repulsive polonophobe filled with hatred to anything Polish.
cygThreads: 8
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Joined: Oct 31, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: cyg  May 29, 08, 08:00    #258
Well, z_darius, in fact I know where Harry makes his living, and cheap pamphlets it ain't. And he hardly rates as a "polonophobe", either.
But having said that, Harry, you did use the term "concentration camp" for Bereza, which I myself would accept if it hadn't been for Auschwitz, Buchenwald and a few other places of this type along the way. Words take on new meanings, and old ones become outdated, as I think has happened in this case.
Bereza was a horrible place, and its creators should probably roast in hell for eternity, but it was no Mauthausen.
southernThreads: 116
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cyg:
I know where Harry makes his living


He is producing gas in Auschwitz?
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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z_darius:
repulsive polonophobe filled with hatred to anything Polish.


I agree.. I think hes searching for things to troll around in here.


southern:
He is producing gas in Auschwitz?



harry must be the one responsible for global warming , not the cows !

z_darius:
It's not just "some of your countrymen". Ask anybody in UK, US, EU or pretty much anywahere in the world what the word "concentration camp" stands for.


yep, and I really cant find anything that even supports his statements.. probably
that is why he hasnt provided links. Nazi's created them.. and pre- war,
gypsies were held in them in 1933.. that was Nazi's doing the dirty work.

I seperate the two ( germans vs Nazi's ) because like all govts we dont all
agree with how they are run, so if someone was against the Nazi's ( which there
were) I wouldnt classify them in same catagory.. Nazi's were killing machines
and dont deserve to be called human.. Germans do.. those who did oppose.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 29, 08, 08:47    #261
The smartest thing that has been said so far, by Pat19. I loathe people who have a hack at Germany for the actions of a loonie. Look at it, he wanted an Aryan race and he destroyed many people who were classically Aryan. If that isn't stupidity, I don't know what is
z_dariusThreads: 22
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cyg:

Well, z_darius, in fact I know where Harry makes his living, and cheap pamphlets it ain't.

He conceded that he produces 3rd rate pamphlets (for 1st rate pay). You may not be unaware of what he does in his spare time. :)

cyg:
And he hardly rates as a "polonophobe", either.

If he really knows how to make a good use of words (as per your suggestions) and yet he paints Poles and Poland with the very wide brush, as he does, then it all points to him being a chronic polonophobe. There is no analysis, no thought in his posts - just childish fight to set some catch phrases in readers' minds - Poland ran concentration camps!

It's a pity that an inflamatory creature like that lives in Poland, makes a living in Poland and, and that New Warsaw Express considers it appropriate to employ such hateful individuals.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 29, 08, 08:57    #263
The only concentration camps run by Poles were for the intellectuals to ponder on the issues of the day
cygThreads: 8
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z_darius:
It's a pity that an inflamatory creature like that lives in Poland, makes a living in Poland and, and that New Warsaw Express considers it appropriate to employ such hateful individuals.

First off, as I'm sure he'll gladly point out, we don't employ him. We're glad to have him writing a column and an occasional article for us, but that's more of a hobby than a job.
As far as "polonophobia" (a horrid word - makes us sound diseased or something) - being Polish myself, and having known Harry for a number of years, I can definitely assure you that he is nothing of what you allege. If not succumbing to national myths and having an independent point of view means you're a polonophobe, then I'm one too. Harry and I have had our share of disagreements, and I've often thought he argues points that don't really need it, but I've never felt that he has any sort of bias against Poles or Poland.

Seanus:
The only concentration camps run by Poles were for the intellectuals to ponder on the issues of the day

Bereza Kartuska was a concentration camp. The point is that it wasn't a death camp.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  May 29, 08, 09:06    #265
So, he's a man of facts, is he?

Man, u miss sarcasm beautifully. Try and think of the word concentration in a different way and u'll see.
southernThreads: 116
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: southern  May 29, 08, 09:11    #266
Almost every country in Europe run concentration camps at that time.The Spanish,the French in colonies,the English,The Soviets,the Balkan states,almost everyone.How many countries had fascist regimes before WW2?All of them run concentration camps where they kept their political opponents.
So that Poland had concentration camps as well is nothing of importance.
z_dariusThreads: 22
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cyg:
If not succumbing to national myths and having an independent point of view means you're a polonophobe


Agreed on succumbing to national myths, but the kind of independent thought he displays here is not much different from that which makes some people write 2+2=5.

cyg:
I've never felt that he has any sort of bias against Poles or Poland.

I can't argue with you you feel or not. I feel different about him.
Here he comes across as a anti-Polish hate monger to more people than just me.
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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cyg:
The point is that it wasn't a death camp.


nope it wasnt.. it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety.. no comparison to concentration camps which hold a
huge number of people and were meant for slav labor and or to be put to death.

The nazi's knew what they were doing when they built them.
HarryThreads: 62
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cyg:
But having said that, Harry, you did use the term "concentration camp" for Bereza, which I myself would accept if it hadn't been for Auschwitz, Buchenwald and a few other places of this type along the way. Words take on new meanings, and old ones become outdated, as I think has happened in this case.

Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp. Mauthausen was designed for extermination through labour. Bereza was, according to the standards of the day and to respected institutions and individuals like the US library of congress and Norman Davies, a concentration camp.

Patrycja19:
it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety..

Prisons are for cirminals, quite right. But criminals have committed a crime and the inmates at Bereza had been found guilty of no crime at all.

If it was a prison, why isn't the official name "Bereza prison"? Why is it officially "Bereza seculsion camp"?
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Seanus:
Man, u miss sarcasm beautifully. Try and think of the word concentration in a different way and u'll see.

Right, I see. :-)
Patrycja19:
nope it wasnt.. it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety..

Oh, come on, a prison is where you keep criminals who have been sentenced by a court. Bereza was more like a more brutal version of Guantanamo, where you got kidnapped to if you stepped on the wrong toes and where torture and humiliation was the order of the day. Now granted many countries had places like that at the time, but that doesn't make it right, and neither does the fact that some of the people kept there were genuinely dangerous.

Harry:
Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp.

The point it was called a concentration camp and that's the name that's stuck with that kind of place afterwards. When most people see a swastika, they are likely to think "nazis" not "the Sun". Same with "concentration camp" - the term just doesn't have the same meaning it did in Bereza's time. Right now it would be more accurate to talk about a "penal camp" or some such.

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