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Poles did assist to Sebs in famous Kosovo battle, 1389, Serbians vs. Turks


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Edited by: Crow  Feb 23, 11, 02:12    #1
Kosovo battle

Kosovo battle - one of most important battles that happened in Europe, ever

Let us not forget to say few words on this, in remembrance of fallen heroes.

By the historic sources, Poles did came to assist to Serbs in this battle that was very important for Serbians, for Slavic and Christian world, for entire Europe.

Speaking purely in military sense this battle was draw. There was no real winner here but, i must say, Serbian casualties were severe and it was final blow to the our medieval Empire. In decades that followed we lost our freedom, too. Bulk of our nobility was slain there on Kosovo, in that 1389. Serbs (in medieval Poland known as Racowie) who gave best cavalry to the Europe and world did their best to repel the invasion. Among other Serbian troops, their heavy cavalry was their first line and archer cavalry acted from the flanks. Turkish lines at first collapsed and even Sultan Murad I himself died in battle. It was only Turkish sultan, only of all times, only one that was killed in battle. His axe-bearer bodyguards didn`t save him from Serbian Voivode Milos Obilic. Anyway, Serbian leader, Prince Lazar also was killed.

After the battle Turks retreated to Anatolia and continued their conquest on Europe just after 70 years after when they completely recuperated due to the losses and dynastic fights that occurred after death of Sultan Murad I. Till then, Europe, Poland on the first place, was ready to end Turkish invasion. But, Balkan Slavs needed to wait few more centuries for full freedom from Turkish rule.

In any case, my great respect and thanks to all who came in aid to Serbians. Here, i would especially try to found more data about Poles that took part in Kosovo battle.

Obilic

Serbian Voivode of Knights Milos Obilic during battle, with the Dragon helmet, in `Sarmatian` style that was always very popular among Serbian nobility

Battle of Kosovo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
According to some sources, the Christian army led by Prince Lazar included a number of Polish and Hungarian knights

Kosovo

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 Feb 23, 11, 02:23    #2
Crow:
By the historic sources, Poles did came to assist to Serbs in this battle that was very important for Serbians, for Slavic and Christian world, for entire Europe.

Much like Serbs helped in the Battle of Varna "A mixed Christian army consisting mainly of Hungarian and Polish forces, with smaller detachments of Czechs, papal knights, Teutonic Knights, Bosnians, Croatians, Bulgarians, Wallachians, Lithuanians, Serbs and Ruthenians (Ukrainians" in which King of Poland and Hungary Władysław III died.



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 Feb 23, 11, 02:37    #3
Serbs didn't stop the Ottoman Empire. Poles did.
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 Feb 23, 11, 12:49    #4
JaneDoe:
Serbs didn't stop the Ottoman Empire. Poles did.

Funny that,always thought it was a combination of General Allenbys Commenwealth (British,ANZAC) forces and TE Lawrence and the Arabs...ooh,and Kamal Attaturk dismantiling what was left of it after 1918..........
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Edited by: Crow  Feb 23, 11, 22:54    #5
JaneDoe:
Serbs didn't stop the Ottoman Empire. Poles did.

you can`t even speak about medieval Poles, without telling about great Serbian role in consolidation of Polish military doctrine and power. Behind many Polish victories were Serbs and some of them directly took part in fighting for Poland, from the Grunwald battle to the Orsa and Vienna, etc, etc.

Serbian-Polish winged cavalry
Polish winged cavalry/husar (on the left) was created by Serbs and was copy of original Serbian gusar (on the right)

Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku.

Source: http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html

Racow

Encyclopedia Wirtualna Polska
http://encyklopedia.wp.pl/encid,1730632,name,racowie,haslo.html?ticaid =1bd5f
racowie, lekka najemna jazda złożona z Serbów, znana na Węgrzech od XIV w.; w Polsce w końcu XV–pocz. XVI w. służyli w obronie potocznej.

JaneDoe:
Crow, stop using Poland as an excuse to create more threads about your barbaric and weak nation.

Barbaric yes, in the sense that Serbs/Slavs represent natives of Europe but for sure not in the pejorative sense of the word. That pejorative sense of the word introduced Roman invaders.

But, when we are at Romans, do you know how many Roman emperors was born on the territory of what is today`s Serbia (what was once core of the Sarmatian territory)? Let me tell you- 16 Roman Emperors was born in Serbia. Yes, 16. But, you won`t understand that, as much as i could be proud of it, in the same time i feel regret and sadness thinking of it. Why? See, once our Sarmatian (read old Slavic) ancestors were free and proud people then they were subjugated to Rome. Same way as English word `Ser` coming from the word Serbian (Sarmatian), words such are `serf` and `servant` also coming from the the same root; Ethnic name of people has become designation and measure for enslaved one... and, how Sarmatians served Rome, i feel only pain thinking of it, they forced other Sarmats/European natives, who were not subjugated to Rome, to serve, to accept Roman rule.

Alexandar of Macedon also was born in what was once Serbia. Did you know this? Yes, he was also of Sarmatian origin. Just, that time Romans were Greeks known also as Hellenes. Alexander served them well and harmed many other Sarmats/Thracians, just to subjugate them to the Hellenes. That king Arthur, he was Sarmat, too. He also served Rome. His true honor, virtue and role is deeply questionable, from the angle of real European and Slavic
/Sarmatian history.
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Edited by: Crow  May 11, 11, 20:02    #6
i had today one conversation about history and i heard, for the first time in my life one very interesting thing. That is in connection with fact how Turks designated Serbs during occupation. Turks used to call Serbs as `Kauri`. Anyway, today i heard that `kauri` represent nothing but form of `Sarmati` (> Sauromati > Sauri > Cauri > Kauri) which thru Arabic/Near Eastern sources came to Turks. So, when Turks invaded Serbs they recognized them exactly as `Sarmatians`.
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Edited by: Koala  May 11, 11, 20:19    #7
JaneDoe:
Serbs didn't stop the Ottoman Empire. Poles did.

isthatu2:
Funny that,always thought it was a combination of General Allenbys Commenwealth (British,ANZAC) forces and TE Lawrence and the Arabs...ooh,and Kamal Attaturk dismantiling what was left of it after 1918..........

I'm not sure if either of you are serious. Ottoman empire, as pretty much any other empire in history, collapsed under its own weight. No individual war caused the decline of Turkey.
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 May 11, 11, 20:23    #8
Koala:
I'm not sure if either of you are serious. Ottoman empire, as pretty much any other empire in history, collapsed under its own weight. No individual war caused the decline of Turkey.

that is also fact but, it is also fact that Slavs resisted while elites of western Europe mostly collaborated with Turks
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 May 11, 11, 21:26    #9
Crow:
that is also fact but, it is also fact that Slavs resisted while elites of western Europe mostly collaborated with Turks

Turkey occupied Slavic nations' territories, who was there to oppose Turks if not Slavs? For western countries Turkey wasn't an immediate threat, but potential ally and trade partner. Why not cooperate with them when feasible?
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Edited by: Crow  Feb 23, 12, 22:44    #10
PennBoy:
Much like Serbs helped in the Battle of Varna "A mixed Christian army consisting mainly of Hungarian and Polish forces, with smaller detachments of Czechs, papal knights, Teutonic Knights, Bosnians, Croatians, Bulgarians, Wallachians, Lithuanians, Serbs and Ruthenians (Ukrainians" in which King of Poland and Hungary Władysław III died.

exactly > Battle of Varna > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Varna

In all crucial historical moments Poles and Serbs fought on the same side.

Do you know that in the middle age Serbians and Serbian lands were considered to be part of the realm that belonged to the Polish Kings? Spot this >>>

Tytuły: Wladislaus, Dei gracia rex Polonie, Hungarie, Dalmacie, Croacie, Rascie, (( to add > Ras, Raska, name of the central Serbian land that was used as another name for all the Serbia)) Bulgarie, Sclavonie, nec non terrarum Cracovie, Sandomirie, Lancicie, Syradie, Cuyavie, Lythuanie princeps suppremus, Pomeranie, Russieque dominus et heres etc. (Władysław z Bożej Łaski król Polski, Węgier, Dalmacji, Chorwacji, Raszki, Bułgarii, Slawonii, pan i dziedzic ziemi krakowskiej, sandomierskiej, łęczyckiej, sieradzkiej, Kujaw, Pomorza i Rusi, najwyższy książę Litwy etc.).

Source: http://www.wladcy.myslenice.net.pl/Polska/opisy/Wladyslaw%20III%20Warn enczyk.htm

i don`t need to underline here that Serbians were considered to be military elite of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Serbs were absolutely loyal to the Polish Kings. Only historical Russian-Serbian conflict happened in moment when Russians endangered ancient Samaritan interests on the Baltic-Balkan line. Situation culminated in decisive Orsha battle where Serbians were first cavalry line of the Polish-Lithuanian forces. Polish-Serbian gusari (hussars) can be seen in action circa AD 1514 in this very large 1530s painting from the Polish National Museum in Warsaw > http://dariocaballeros.blogspot.com/2009/04/serbian-hussars.html

Serbs for Poles
Orsha Battle, 1514

Serbian-Polish mutual loyalty originates from our Sarmatian connections in deep Proto-Slavic past (note: Sarmatian name was previous/original and universal name for all the Slavs), from time when our elites and people prospered due to control of amber trade routes from Baltic to the Balkan/Mediterranean. That ancient wealth flow was cut and destroyed by the Romans and their border from the Baltic to the Balkan. On the east, from the North to the South (on that Balkan-Baltic line) Romans bordered solely with the Sarmatians. Actually, some Sarmatians lived as subjects to the Rome within Roman borders and those who stayed outside of the Roman Empire were called barbarians. Later, destine of those Sarmatians who lived in the northern Roman province of Germania was to become Germanics and after their full germanization- Germans (note: name of Germania province wasn't ethnic name but the quite opposite- name of the province gave the name to the new ethos- Germanics, in the ancient Slavic (read Sarmatian) realm.
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 Feb 24, 12, 00:27    #11
Wait so the Serbs now are the founders of hussar cavalry and directly behind the victory at the gates of Vienna? ( I kinda figured they were like occupied by the Turkish in XVIIth century ).

Good to learn new things.

On a sidenote, can us Jews claim credit for all the reforms put in place by Casimir the Great? You know, he did shag a Jewish girl for some time, she must have been giving him pointers on how to run the country...



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