MareGaea: nott: Might have confused this and that Well it's hard to confuse the only thing I said about the topic as such. And I gave you the quote, so it's not that much work after all. It was exactly the same what you said about it. Quite remarkable for somebody who is just happily jumping into stuff, eh?
I managed to confuse it anyway, me talented bugger and stuff. Want it carved in marble, golden letters, or this single repetition is nuff said? As I said, that was a general impression, and I do not remember bringing any preconceptions about particular people to this forum.
MareGaea: nott: Point is, you are biased. Strange but true. Like in 'we remember, have learnt from it, and got over with it'. But Poles are 'still whining about being murdered by millions 70 YEARS AGO'. Not quite so, as discussing Holocaust is still illegal, reparation demands loud and clear, but any attempt of 'antisemitic' Poles in this field, without even mentioning money, is just 'stirring sh1t and causing unnecessary tensions between East and West.' Or whatever. So it's biased to not live in the past, but think about the future instead of the wrongdoings that have happened in the past? What would you gain from it? Nobody denies that the Poles have suffered and in many places throughout Western Europe the brave Poles are honoured for their heroism.
It's biased to deny the right of remembrance to people who suffered muchly. Looks like hypocritical too, after having been granted the benefit of compassion. And money. Seems like gain to me, this one.
There are plenty of people denying the suffering of the Polish nation, or excusing it by the alleged Polish participation in Holocaust, or ********** over the September 1939, or Polish ineptitude in general. Whatever your declared opinions, which I truly welcome, your gut reaction is 'typical Jewish', excuse le mot. And plenty of it.
MareGaea: I only jump in when it yet again takes an anti-Jewish turn
Last time I saw you jumping was in the thread about Polish-German hatred, or lack of it. Nothing to do with Jews, exceptionally. You contributed with remarks about typical Polish whining.
MareGaea: because I believe that we've been there, seen it and that it's time to move on. And mind you, that is the general opinion in the West. And I'm just another Westerner in that respect. It's the covert racism that attracts my attention the most; those who want to rationalize it and find somehow "proof" for the justness of their claims.
Actually, I think you are good at heart, only misled a fraction... :) It's easy for the West to bask in the sun of the well-off freedom and peace, and look down their noses at the nations that have just emerged from the sh1thole created by the war.
MareGaea: But then again, what can be just about disregarding an entire group of ppl based on the behaviour of some individuals?
Like the purported perpetrators of pogrom in Kielce? (with all my typical Polish reservations kept safe)
MareGaea: And there is a difference between me and them: when some Jews do sth wrong (and I know very well there are bad Jews) it's immediately "the Jews" while I preferrably talke about "some <name nationality>". It's a subtle difference, well, perhaps not so subtle, but it proves too subtle for some.
I've noticed that you know about the bad Jews, that's one of the good reasons that we are talking. I don't see the difference between 'you and them' as big as you do. Routinely adding 'some' doesn't really change that much.
MareGaea: nott: I am not easily impressed by statements. "nuff said" is only a replacement for my usual "tiens" as some titties were superstitious concerning the results of the upcoming World Cup. So I replaced it for them while the Championship lasts. After half July it will turn into tiens again.
and I thought it was just you being so high up your as$... stupid Pole me, please accept my sincerest apologies :)
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