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 Oct 1, 11, 23:46    #91
they were such a juggernaut by the end of the war they could probably have taken on the allies and won.


They'd have lost because they didn't have a viable bomb - and it's well documented that their supply lines were incredibly overstretched in order to get to Berlin first.

Poland made a massive mistake in WW2 by not waiting until the Russians were almost at the gates of Berlin - they could never have survived a ruthless Polish attack on their supply lines, especially if the Poles were covertly aided by the Americans.

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 Oct 2, 11, 00:10    #92
They'd have lost because they didn't have a viable bomb - and it's well documented that their supply lines were incredibly overstretched in order to get to Berlin first.


obviously not overstretched enough. ;) they came in 1st. :)

Poland made a massive mistake in WW2 by not waiting until the Russians were almost at the gates of Berlin - they could never have survived a ruthless Polish attack on their supply lines, especially if the Poles were covertly aided by the Americans.


nice combination of 'ifs', but it did not turned out that way as history showed. its quite interesting how some people here on pf are trying to minimize the ussr part of the ww2 victory against nazi germany. are u people ussr/russian phobics? ;)

poles my guess at the end of the war would not have been cared for who came for liberation. ussr came 1st. punkt.
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 Oct 2, 11, 00:19    #93
obviously not overstretched enough. ;) they came in 1st. :)


Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I think the speed of the Russian advance was incredible, especially when you consider the beatings they took in places like Kostrzyn and Poznan.

nice combination of 'ifs', but it did not turned out that way as history showed. its quite interesting how some people here on pf are trying to minimize the ussr part of the ww2 victory against nazi germany. are u people ussr/russian phobics? ;)


It's very much a "what if" scenario - there's always the possibility that the Russians would have given up the "prize" of Berlin and simply concentrated on giving Poland a hiding instead. If they had wanted to, they could have destroyed Poland at that point.
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 Oct 2, 11, 00:25    #94
It's very much a "what if" scenario - there's always the possibility that the Russians would have given up the "prize" of Berlin and simply concentrated on giving Poland a hiding instead. If they had wanted to, they could have destroyed Poland at that point.


correct, but the meaning and symbol of berlin was enough motivation for them to be there 1st, and of course later on strategic when they noticed what power they have. under no price they would have given it to us/f/eng.
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Edited by: Sire Brenshar  Oct 2, 11, 01:12    #95
on the INTERNET forum, not likely.

I can only wonder why you put the emphasis on "internet"...

Either way, Socrates must back up his claims, otherwise what he says are just his utterly subjective opinion. And as such, useless to the debate.

Define the communist era.

The years around those leading up to the fifties (end of majority of Polish resistance), to 1989.

Are you sure it was Polish history that had been taught ?

Not solely, but yes. Polish history was taught.

Why you asking irrelevant question, Poles were murdered by the ten of thousands after the WWII by the Soviets.

Rather than tell me I'm saying irrelevant questions, which were not even addressed to you, answer them.

I repeat. Were there any mass murders of Poles after the Soviets had assumed control?

You notice my carefully worded sentence? No, its not because I'm trying to narrow the subject into a period of time that backs my point, but rather to show Socrates wrong: If the Soviets wanted to exterminate the Poles, why did they become so lethargic and lax about it when they had full control? Why is it that once they built their own nuclear weapons, meaning when the West no longer had any advantage over them, did they no longer feel the need to end, freely, polish existence?


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