The Polish Blame Culture!

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,898 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Apr 25, 10, 01:32 #1
Its been over 60 years since the war ended and its been 20 years in Poland since communism came to an abrupt end...so when will all the blame culture end? When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

richasisThreads: 5 Posts: 833 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 01:36 #2
Amathyst: When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta" Since you mention it, perhaps when the perpetrators of Yalta account for their own. :)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Edited by: Mr Grunwald Apr 25, 10, 01:37 #3
Yalta! ^^ (Jałta? :o)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 01:38 #4
What was Poland's mistake, Amathyst?

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Edited by: Amathyst Apr 25, 10, 01:42 #5

richasis:

Since you mention it, perhaps when the perpetrators of Yalta account for their own. :)

I arrest my case!

Drac90:

i only dont like you :D if you die i will love entire world :D at least all ppl on this forum :*

Mature response - okay.

richasis:

Since you mention it, perhaps when the perpetrators of Yalta account for their own. :)

Economics, is the key, and Britain wasnt positioned, we were broke...hence the reason we were half starved the nation for 10 year!

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 03:13 #6
Amathyst: Germany have. So you are wrong. I think I didn't actually get it can you post it 3 more times? Poles are just so badly spoilt and rotten that it's never going to happen sorry : /

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 03:20 #7
In the states there is a big division between Poles who are native born and those born in Poland. That's why there are Polish jokes. Native born poles (Pollacks) poking fun at Polish born Poles. Frd is correct.

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Apr 25, 10, 03:24 #8

Amathyst:

Its been over 60 years since the war ended and its been 20 years in Poland since communism came to an abrupt end...so when will all the blame culture end? When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

well, poland did get shafted by the empire and the ex colonies at yalta.. also, poland got sold up the river back on sept1 1939.. and you know it.. that is the history.. do you really want us all to forget about it? yeah, right.. i think it's a great lesson for poland but unfortunately it doesn't seem poland has learned as it still looks like poland wants to depend on others like the GB or USA who are not definitely not dependable in such instances..

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 03:28 #9
I could add that no one gonna ever forget about history, moreover no one should...

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Apr 25, 10, 03:28 #10

Amathyst:

Its been over 60 years since the war ended and its been 20 years in Poland since communism came to an abrupt end...so when will all the blame culture end? When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

It is something you will never understand so don't even try!

Let me give you an example, if you get fired from work for no particular reason-and all the consequences that go along with that, and the mate next to you who you know had no special advantage over you keeps his or her job (and this was like your dream job by the way) would you moan and complain and be a little bitter? I suspect yes, until you find another job. Well Poland hasn't found another job yet, but it is getting there.

Amathyst:

60 years

Is a very short time in world history, only two generations ago.

Take the Irish for instance, do they still moan about the past? Are they still bitter? Yes and Yes after all look at N.I. Even though comparatively, arguably they suffered a lot less.

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Apr 25, 10, 03:33 #11

plk123:

well, poland did get shafted by the empire and the ex colonies at yalta.. also, poland got sold up the river back on sept1 1939.. and you know it.. that is the history.. do you really want us all to forget about it? yeah, right.. i think it's a great lesson for poland but unfortunately it doesn't seem poland has learned as it still looks like poland wants to depend on others like the GB or USA who are not definitely not dependable in such instances..

Well England lost all She had and practially starved for 20 years..my mum scavenged in coal bunkers for coal..can you imagine that an English girl doing that? NO..P, You have no idea how we lived in the UK afer WWII, the country was shattered...We lost so much defending a country we knew nothing about...Food was rassioned and clothes..etc..I will say again you have NO idea..No one fecked Poland..We had no choice...We are a small Island and had no money or resources...Anything we had we put into the war, and we lost everything.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Edited by: frd Apr 25, 10, 03:34 #12
hague1cmaeron: Well Poland hasn't found another job yet, but it is getting there. It's kind of far fetched but it was close, I think no one can really understand another nations traits really even after living in the said country. Amathyst: my mum scavenged in coal bunkers for coal. at least you guys had coal.. luxury..

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 03:35 #13
Chicago Pollock: Native born poles (Pollacks) poking fun at Polish born Poles. wtf are you on? that is not the origination of pollock jokes at all.. sheesh some people..

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Edited by: Moderator Apr 25, 10, 03:39 #14

Amathyst:

so when will all the blame culture end?

When the Poms finally accept that HMG in WW2 stabbed Poland in the back and didn't treat a friend and ally in the way they should have been treated. It's time to move on but that can only be done in fulsome fashion once the Pommie apologists stop trying to diminish the issues and shift the blame.

Amathyst:

Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

I think saying "Teheran" is the more relevant word. Perhaps you'd care to comment on what I've said about that nice little piece of backstabbing in other threads and give my propositions a run for their money?

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Apr 25, 10, 03:42 #15

RevokeNice:

We suffered less than the Poles, are you for real? Does soviet Russia continue to illegally occupy Polish soil? How many genocides did the Poles suffer? How many years of oppression? How many Polish citizens were mowed down with bullets while protesting for equal rights in their native land?

Try 900 years of the above.

Dickhead.

The Irish were the ones who got fired, but their mate had more talent though...lol

A lot more than the Irish who were content to let Hitler do his best, and Sinn Fein were actual Hitler supporters!

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Edited by: Moderator Apr 25, 10, 03:44 #16

hague1cmaeron:

Yes a good story, unfortunately it simply doesn't compare. And needless to say most rational Poles are grateful for the UK contribution, and unlike most people I think the British empire was by and large a good thing.

I really couldnt give a **** about Poles...MY country gave their lives! AS for good story..Its the truth, and it does compare, hardship is hardship..I know what my mum went through and had to put up with as a consequence of the war, unlike some Aus a million miles away! As for Poles caring about our contribution...they really dont..they are are almost contemptuous!

Ozi Dan:

When the Poms finally accept that HMG in WW2 stabbed Poland in the back and didn't treat a friend and ally in the way they should have been treated. It's time to move on but that can only be done in fulsome fashion once the Pommie apologists stop trying to diminish the issues and shift the blame.

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RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Edited by: RevokeNice Apr 25, 10, 03:46 #17
frd: at least you guys had coal.. luxury.. So. did. Poland. I bought a bag there last week. From Belchatow(sp?). Didnt notice until I dragged her into me shed.

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Apr 25, 10, 03:49 #18

Amathyst:

I really couldnt give a **** about Poles...MY country gave their lives! AS for good story..Its the truth, and it does compare, hardship is hardship..I know what my mum went through and had to put up with as a consequence of the war, unlike some Aus a million miles away! As for Poles caring about our contribution...they really dont..they are are almost contemptuous!

Well I am a Pole, and I care, so you see you are not alone. And yes there is hardship, but than there is also hardship. Did the UK lose a 1/5 of its population during the war? Were its best and brightest liquidated? Was an alien regime imposed on them? What you don't understand is that the war ended in 1989 for the Poles not 1945.

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Edited by: plk123 Apr 25, 10, 03:58 #19

Amathyst:

Well England lost all She had and practially starved for 20 years..my mum scavenged in coal bunkers for coal..can you imagine that an English girl doing that? NO..P, You have no idea how we lived in the UK afer WWII, the country was shattered...We lost so much defending a country we knew nothing about...Food was rassioned and clothes..etc..I will say again you have NO idea..No one fecked Poland..We had no choice...We are a small Island and had no money or resources...Anything we had we put into the war, and we lost everything.

and what?? poland didn't get the brunt of it all or came out better then the isles?? you gotta be kidding me?? you know better then that but for some reason you are flying off the handle.. why?? hell, more poles lost their lives defending the isles then english defending poland..talk about crying a river all of a sudden..wtf??

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Apr 25, 10, 04:01 #20

hague1cmaeron:

A lot more than the Irish who were content to let Hitler do his best, and Sinn Fein were actual Hitler supporters!

Not supporters, no. As not one Jewish person has ever been murdered in Ireland. They didnt support Hitler, they just wanted the Brits to get a bloody nose.

hague1cmaeron:

Were its best and brightest liquidated?

Yes, Katyn set Poland back decades. It was hard to watch the film. Very hard in fact. And I am not normally squeamish.

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Edited by: Moderator Apr 25, 10, 04:04 #21

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Amathyst:

Because we have no blame...And not one English person worth their salt will say sorry to someone for WWII, no blame to shift or to dimish. Im proud to be English but almost ashamed now that we backed an ungrateful dead donky...,

It's not about saying sorry - it's about recognising and accepting that your government in WW2 backstabbed an ally. Amongst other things, HMG did not tell Poland immediately about what happened in the Teheran conference, when they should have told Poland. Why would they not tell Poland?

Do you think HMG did not fulfil its obligations under clause 5 of the treaty, linked below

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk19.asp

If you think Poles are trying to blame you and the post WW2 generation, you're wrong. You and your ilk will however be blamed for being apologists and revisionists if you try to diminish or smoke screen the gravity HMG's backstab. If you don't think it was a backstab, then defend your proposition rather than burying your head in the sand.

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Apr 25, 10, 04:04 #22

wtf are you on? that is not the origination of pollock jokes at all.. sheesh some people.

I know where they come from, I was there. Polish jokes don't come from Americans, they come from American born Poles who used to joke about the ignorance (before you flame me look up the definition of ignorance) of DP's (for Displace persons, from WWII). We started 'em.

As for WWII. FRANCE AND BRITAIN LOST AN ENTIRE GENERATION IN WWI. They were in no condition in 1939 to militarily challenge Germany (remember Dunkirk?). You weren't back stabbed.

Hitler was ranting for 10 years before 1939. How could Poland military be unprepared for 1939 invasion???? Or surprised as they claim. If Poland was back stabbed it was by your political or military leadership. No one else.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 04:05 #23
Chicago Pollock: (remember Dunkirk?) When hitler let the brits off the hook.....

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Edited by: frd Apr 25, 10, 04:06 #24

Amathyst:

I doubt that since you're some Pole who still feels he was screwed over and doesnt really fully understand what other countries suffered because he's in the perpetual state of misery blaming everyone else! .

Where did I blame anyone-, you're living in a dreamworld, wake up. You're adding stuff no one ever said, Self esteem issues ? I'd presume that if I were a farseer such as you. I might be going personal but I'm not taking some drivel from god knows where. Why do you bother to post about Poland and asking about it if you don't care? I guess your sole intention was to troll.

Why do you even bother to post without reading at least "WIKIPEDIA" for your own good, history knowledge.. and I though I'm gonna be getting through as an ignorant.

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Edited by: Amathyst Apr 25, 10, 04:16 #25

hague1cmaeron:

Well they did model themselves on the fascists and held similar views, and later on excelled at killing women and children.

Excuse me? Let me remind you, you are living in an ex colony! Which was shaped by Brits! So Cameron if you hate us so much why live ther

hague1cmaeron:

Look if you are equating British and Polish loses in the war you are simply wrong!

At what..be more specifit?

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Apr 25, 10, 04:28 #26

Amathyst:

read about the cities that were flattned by the German

but I did and I don't wanna go about which death toll was bigger and which was smaller and whoose cities were razed to the ground a bit more than others that would be kind of sad, to use such arguments... From people I know there's no one who would undermine GB's major role in the WW2 and its loss - although you can't blame some people who are not into history - I doubt you guys learn anything about polish battles and bombed cities just as we don't learn much about uk - beside the main event which is battle of britain...

hague1cmaeron:

ook if you are equating British and Polish loses in the war you are simply wrong!

As in some quote I forgot whose, everyone lost in WW2. As for who lost more - look at the level of wealth and living in those countries now - it's a simple answer.

Ozi DanThreads: 21 Posts: 518 Joined: Nov 22, 07 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 04:28 #27
Amathyst: Yawn... I'm sorry for boring you - I hope my comment gave you a laugh. In all seriousness though, what do you think about what I said regarding Teheran? Surely you've come across the implications of this conference in your readings? Do you reckon HMG should have told Poland?

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Edited by: Amathyst Apr 25, 10, 04:39 #28

hague1cmaeron:

You seem incapable of following you own reasoning, so that is a sure sign, the fact that you need to repeat the question just confirms my analysis, so you don't need to answer the question.

Im fully capable of following my own reasonsings. You are, however, incapable of answering a simple question.

Amathyst:

At what..be more specifit?

See above.

frd:

but I did and I don't wanna go about which death toll was bigger and which was smaller and whoose cities were razed to the ground a bit more than others that would be kind of sad, to use such arguments... From people I know there's no one who would undermine GB's major role in the WW2 and its loss - although you can't blame some people who are not into historY- I doubt you guys learn anything about polish battles and bombed cities just as we don't learn much about uk - beside the main event which is battle of britain...

Simple fact is people dont give a $hit about Britian and our losses because we dont talk about it or cry about it..We got on with it and re-built and its was our past. FULL STOP. Personally I dont give a **** about Poland anymore..because I have learnt how ungrateful they are about what we did..all they see is we shafted them..they dont see how many English men died. I had a very different view before I came to this board, Im pretty dissapointed they dont see what we lost as a result of entering the war - we were the only country that stood by them from the start.

Ozi Dan:

In all seriousness though, what do you think about what I said regarding Teheran? Surely you've come across the implications of this conference in your readings? Do you reckon HMG should have told Poland?

Personally, I would have preferred to have formed an alliance with Russian, Stallin liked Churchill and admired the British forces, therefore there would have been no need for Yalta. And I wouldnt have had to listen to your whining!

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 04:42 #29
Amathyst: Simple fact is people dont give a $hit about Britian and our losses because we dont talk about it or cry about it..We got on with it and re-built and its was our past. FULL STOP nope, I heard yanks argueing with brits about who won the war and who helped who and who lost more people plenty of times.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 20 Posts: 1,519 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Apr 25, 10, 04:45 #30
frd: answering a simple question. Why would i when i already have the answer?

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