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Apr 29, 10, 00:47 #241

Bratwurst Boy:

It means like with the whole war GB NEVER faced the true might of the german war machine.
They were coddled and more or less left to themselves - not quite smart by Hitler but then he had his own priorities.
Without the US and the Russians they would speak the language of their ancestors today! ;)

But the German army was far larger at that point in time. If we had developed a huge army like the Nazis had, then there would have been a more equal ground fight between UK and Germany. But again, you were the aggressors, we, the defenders. So, it just wasn't an equal fight at that time for many reasons, like it might have been.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 00:51 #242

Barr_2009:

If we had developed a huge army like the Nazis had, then there would have been a more equal ground fight between UK and Germany.

But you couldn't! You're to small for that.
Even so you needed the pathetical slaves from your colonies to help you out...

Barr_2009:

But again, you were the aggressors, we, the defenders.

Who forced you to declare war on Germany? Hitler never had real plans to invade the Islands (or he WOULD had turned the forces on you but he never did)
And not on the equally agressive Russians btw...they invaded Poland too after all....a Poland you had sworn to protect!
Which after the war ended up unfree and opressed by an british ally...what were you defending again?

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Apr 29, 10, 00:56 #243

in 1940 BoB the England faced German air force with help from Poles, French and other pilots. the reason German lost the BoB it to change of tactics
as Germans started to bomb the civilian population instead concentrating on British military objectives, Hitler wanted to bomb the British to submission.
the reason why Hitler did not advance onto Dunkirk and did not invaded England after victory in France was he was hoping to make peace with England as English royal family is first cousins with German aristocracy.
and BB German lost BoB well before they attacked Russia.

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Apr 29, 10, 00:58 #244

Marek11111:

as Germans started to bomb the civilian population instead concentrating on British military objectives, Hitler wanted to bomb the British to submission.

Marek11111:

the reason why Hitler did not advance onto Dunkirk and did not invaded England after victory in France was he was hoping to make peace with England as English royal family is first cousins with German aristocracy.

Yes...and now re-read both arguments you made...one of them doesn't fit. Can you spot which?

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Apr 29, 10, 01:00 #245

Bratwurst Boy:

But you couldn't! You're to small for that.
Even so you needed the pathetical slaves from your colonies to help you out...

Sorry no, we are not too small for that. We just tended not to have ridiculously extreme governments like Germany and Russia had, creating massive aggressive forces, in recent years. incredible really thinking of it all. If we had such a right wing government, then maybe they'd focus on creating a massive number of troops, tanks, etc

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:04 #246

Barr_2009:

Sorry no, we are not too small for that.

Well, yes you are...the british islands can never compete with an 80 million people, highly industrialized, armed to the teeth country.
You were no different to the rest of Europe the army overrun...only GB weren't on the menu.

If Hitler had meant really business he didn't even would had needed the Luftwaffe...concentrating on a blockade with the wolf packs would had been much more efficient!

In no time GB would had been forced to negotiate, as did Germany after WWI. Such a blockade becomes nasty very soon. And starving people are much more agreeable to any kind of change!

But Hitler had a soft spot for you...don't make it to something it wasn't only because it pleases your ego...

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Edited by: Barr_2009 Apr 29, 10, 01:08 #247

Bratwurst Boy:

Well, yes you are...the british islands can never compete with an 80 million people, highly industrialized, armed to the teeth country.

If Hitler had meant really business he didn't even needed the Luftwaffe...concentrating on a blockade with the Wolf packs would had been much more efficient!

In no time GB would had been forced to negotiate, as did Germany after WWI. Such a blockade becomes nasty very soon.

We had hear around 50 million. That's a fair amount, so we could create an army with several million troops for sure. We are a highly industrialised nation, were on of the first! And I guess we didn't need to negotiate, for our situation at that time, we fought a clever game in order to win.

But Hitler had a soft spot for you...don't make it to something it wasn't only because it pleases your ego.

what ego? Nobody here says we won this war alone, unless they are stupid. And it pleases my ego that Hitler had a soft spot for us, because, we are great

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 29, 10, 01:09 #248
Bratwurst Boy: Who forced you to declare war on Germany? Complete and utter stupidity, that's who. If Britain had done nothing at all in response to Germany's invasion of Poland, Poles would not complain and lie any more about Britain than they currently do. In fact they'd probably do it a whole lot less as there probably wouldn't be a Poland and there would certainly be a lot fewer Poles!

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:13 #249
Time line BB as Hitler was hoping to make peace after France victory and England did not made peace so he started BoB and lost the end does it fit now

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Edited by: Barr_2009 Apr 29, 10, 01:13 #250

Harry:

Complete and utter stupidity, that's who. If Britain had done nothing at all in response to Germany's invasion of Poland, Poles would not complain and lie any more about Britain than they currently do. In fact they'd probably do it a whole lot less as there probably wouldn't be a Poland and there would certainly be a lot fewer Poles!

Pity in some ways, I may never have met the big nosed, cold, strange Polish girls that I did, with 2 in mind in particular. I think the world would be a better place without those two, ugghh

Of course, I love some of them, so nice. hi Poles x you're great, honest.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:17 #251

Marek11111:

Time line BB as Hitler was hoping to make peace after France victory and England did not made peace so he started BoB and lost the end
does it fit now

God Marek, look at the timeline again, the BoB was not a war, it was a skirmish, from From July to October 1940...that was NOTHING!!!! 4 month! That was all!

After the France war and before Barbarossa, these were real wars and were important in the Chancellory and the High Command...get that through your head!

*rolls eyes*

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Apr 29, 10, 01:19 #252

Bratwurst Boy:

God Marek, look at the timeline again, the BoB was not a war, it was a skirmish, from From July to October 1940...that was NOTHING!!!! 4 month! That was all!

It was a to get soldiers busy after the France war and till Barbarossa, that what was important in the Chancellory and the High Command...get that through your head!

*rolls eyes*

It was a defeat of the German luftwaffe, by the British RAF. Ende.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:20 #253
Barr_2009: It was a defeat of the German luftwaffe, by the British RAF. Ende. Yeah...defeat...ROFL. Wanna have a look at the aces chart again???? Not many Brits there and so far down the ranks it's not funny! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_World_War_II_aces Shouldn' Brits lead all the ranks if they defeated the Germans? No? Heh:)

Barr_2009Threads: 1 Posts: 280 Joined: Oct 11, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:23 #254
Bratwurst Boy: Yeah...defeat...ROFL. Wanna have a look at the aces chart again???? Not many Brits there and so far down the ranks it's not funny! ;) I don't know why it's so hard to accept that you were defeated there. It has nothing to do with this list, I do not even see authenticity and verification of this 'list', sir

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:24 #255

Barr_2009:

I don't know why it's so hard to accept that you were defeated there.

Because we weren't!

It never was a real battle like the rest of Europe, Poland and especially Russia had to face...so stop squeezing you in the same line.

Barr_2009:

I do not even see authenticity and verification of this 'list', sir

Well, there are alot of books out there if you don't believe Wiki...tire yourself out.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:25 #256
you are right BB Germany lost the skirmish BoB which lead to loosing ww2, ether way Germany lost.

Barr_2009Threads: 1 Posts: 280 Joined: Oct 11, 09 ♂	Edited by: Barr_2009 Apr 29, 10, 01:25 #257
You were defeated, you idiot. It shows weakness not to be able to accept this. Either way, your list has nothing to do with the outcome of that battle, which UK won.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:26 #258

Marek11111:

you are right BB Germany lost the skirmish BoB which lead to loosing ww2, ether way Germany lost.

That would mean that GB was pivotal to the outcome of WWII...not the US and surely not Russia...you are not serious, aren't you!

Barr_2009:

Either way, your list has nothing to do with the outcome of that battle, which UK won.

It becomes interesting if you claim you "defeated" the Luftwaffe, that the RAF was somehow superior to the German pilots...

It shows how ridiculous these claims are!!!! :):):)

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 29, 10, 01:28 #259
Bratwurst Boy: Wanna have a look at the aces chart again???? Comparing pilots who faced the Red Army on the Eastern front to pilots who faced the Luftwaffe is like saying a man who has shot 150 squirrels with a machine gun is a better hunter than a man who's killed 20 tigers with a bow & arrow!

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:30 #260

Harry:

Comparing pilots who faced the Red Army on the Eastern front to pilots who faced the Luftwaffe is like saying a man who has shot 150 squirrels with a machine gun is a better hunter than a man who's killed 20 tigers with a bow & arrow!

Thanks for the compliment but downtalking the reds, your allies who saved your arses, isn't going to explain the low ranks of RAF pilots on the aces list I fear...

Barr_2009Threads: 1 Posts: 280 Joined: Oct 11, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:31 #261
Bratwurst Boy: It becomes interesting if you claim you "defeated" the Luftwaffe, that the RAF was somehow superior to the German pilots... well, we were, history showed it.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:33 #262
Barr_2009: well, we were, history showed it. History showed that GB lost! They were kicked from the continent and needed the US to help them to come back...and together the US+Russia wore Germany down. That is the history folks...not more, not less.

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Apr 29, 10, 01:35 #263

Bratwurst Boy:

History showed that GB lost!
They were kicked from the continent and needed the US to help them to come back...and together the US+Russia wore Germany down.

That is the history folks...not more, not le

History showed we were outnumbered by far, so lost because of that, the battle (not the war) in France. Then we defeated the Germans in a fairer fight by air, in Battle of Britain.

:-) :-) :-) ;-)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:36 #264
Barr_2009: History showed we were outnumbered by far, so lost because of that, the battle (not the war) in France. Then we defeated the Germans in a fairer fight by air, in Battle of Britain. Man..you are only repeating your mantra...bring something new, okay?

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Edited by: Harry Apr 29, 10, 01:37 #265

Bratwurst Boy:

Thanks for the compliment but downtalking the reds, your allies who saved your arses, isn't going to explain the low ranks of RAF pilots on the aces list I fear.

Which is odd really, given that despite all the great German aces the western allies were able to use their airforces to lay waste to pretty much any German city that took their fancy. How is Dresden these days anyway? Still full of praise for the great German pilots who took such care of the city?

Barr_2009Threads: 1 Posts: 280 Joined: Oct 11, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:37 #266
Bratwurst Boy: Man..you are only repeating your mantra...bring something new, okay? Alright. I love German sausage, I had some in Hamburg, it was tasty.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:38 #267
BB stop your nonsense US and Russia had nothing to do with BoB and you need to accept it, BoB it was a start of defeating Germany. and German pilots ware not superior to English, Polish pilots as they lost BoB. Germans got a lot of kills in Russia not over England.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 29, 10, 01:40 #268

Marek11111:

BB stop your nonsense US and Russia had nothing to do with BoB and you need to accept it,
BoB it was a start of defeating Germany.
and German pilots ware not superior to English, Polish pilots as they lost BoB.
Germans got a lot of kills in Russia not over England.

Read your own arguments again!
Hitler never turned the full might of the Luftwaffe on GB, he wanted to avoid a war with them for his own reasons...tell me seriously if you believe that the Islands could have survived an onslaught of the german forces as Poland, France or Russia had to face?
Honestly please!

Harry:

How is Dresden these days anyway? Still full of praise for the great German pilots who took such care of the city?

Well, never said it was smart of Hitler to let the Brits go away.
He was betrayed by them in a way too...they never repaid in kind.
In the end they specialized in terrorizing civilians as they had not much else to bring to
the allied military table...

Barr_2009Threads: 1 Posts: 280 Joined: Oct 11, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:44 #269
I've even seen accounts from German pilots saying that the RAF was suprerior, and that they hadn't faced an enemy like it before.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Apr 29, 10, 01:46 #270
England outlast Germans in BoB and defeated them then destroyed Germany by air so I can say that England withstood all Germans had thrown at them see maybe you can fallow this lost BoB invasion of England not possible

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