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jeden:
Romans, Greeks, Egiyptians were civilisated, but druids or german tribes or slavs not

jeden. Listen,... if we were to speak about Europe (not only Europe!), Slavs (read Sarmatians) invented all what is crucial for existence of civilization, even by modern day standards.

Did you know that skill of bridge building Romans learned from Slavs? Yes, many things with which Romans were proud of were invented by Slavs. In comparision to old Slavs, antic Romans or Greeks were not more intelligent but they were greedy and didn`t hesitate to use force to satisfy their greed. They enslaved Slavs (Sarmats) and use exactly Slavs as primary labor force. Even Latin word for slavery (sclavus) coming from the ethnic name of Slavs and English word for servant coming from the ethnic name of Sarmatians (Sarmatian name was universal name for all Slavs before was replaced with name of Slavjani- Slavs in Eng.). Roman and Greek hegemonism interrupted development of independent Slavic civilization and forced old Slavs to actually contribute to foreign civilizations and cultures.

Slavic (ever since Sarmatian time/Aryans) inventions on the field of agriculture changed the life style of people from Europe, Eurasia, Asia and all the way to Near-East and Ind river. Use of crop rotation and the mould-board plow allowed for greater production in tuff soil. The mould-board plow according to Medieval Life & the Hundred Years War, by James F Dunnigan and Albert A Nofi, allowed the early Slavs to become efficient farmers. This elaborate metal and wood device was developed by Slavs. Its design allowed six or more oxen to pull a plow and break up virgin ground, or the heavy, even on clay laden soils. As an example of the impact of this new plow, consider the huge population growth that occurred after its introduction.

Or shall we just mention Polish `Sarmatism` as early seed of democracy in modern sense of the word. Etc, etc, many other achievements of ancient Slavs as their contribution to global civilization.
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Crow:
Polish civilization is older than English or French


actually its true. its the oldest civilisation of all. they found lately the cave drawing dated 60 000 yrs bc:

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McCoy

he, he. That`s the good one :)
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Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: jeden  Aug 21, 10, 09:03    #34
and stating that the murderous roman empire which enslaved the world and even murdered whole people for his own gain is hold up as "civilization" whereas their enemies and victims are sold to us as "barbarians".

Yes BB indeed. Civilisated doesn`t mean good, honest, just or fair. Civilisation don`t have positive or negative meaning. It is neutral.

Watch the Paulina Movie on yt. Romans are civlisated and Germans are barbarian although Germans are defending their land, and Romans are trying to conqeur and enslave them.

Did you know that skill of bridge building Romans learned from Slavs?

I didnēt know and I donēt belive until you show some examples of slav architecture older than roman

Or shall we just mention Polish `Sarmatism` as early seed of democracy in modern sense of the word.

This is true.
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jeden:
Yes BB indeed. Civilisated doesn`t mean good, honest, just or fair. Civilisation don`t have positive or negative meaning. It is neutral.


...and civilisation doesn't mean better bath houses or roads!

The tribes had laws too and even better gender equality...they didn't prefer to live in crowded, stinking towns and loyalty and honor counted more than political intrigues.

Civilization is an attitude and a way of life. In no way where the Romans more civilized than the tribes...The freedom loving Celts for example had been more civilized than the Romans who after long fighting enslaved one half and killed the other half.
When you want to count architecture like roads as signs for civilization then you have to count Hitler's autobahns too. That way lays madness.

It seems it's a philosophical decision one has to make for himself...what counts as civilization for one self.
Maybe we just have to agree to disagree here.
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Joined: Nov 30, 09 ♂ 		 Aug 21, 10, 13:22    #36
We have other definitions.

When you want to count architecture like roads as signs for civilization then you have to count Hitler's autobahns too.

Yes I count. Germany in 39 was civilisated country, maybe a bit mad but civilisated. ;)

The culture and civilisations stands oppose to the nature. When society appears, the first what people make is border beetwen them and nature. Walls, closed houses, wooden palisades. This show that culture and civilisation is a creation sth. new sth. what doesn`t have anything in common with nature. WE ARE NOT PART OF WILDLIFE. It doesn`t mean that is good, but this is CIVILISATION.
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jeden:
This show that culture and civilisation is a creation sth. new sth. what doesn`t have anything in common with nature.


And again...our ancestors had that too...they had their wood houses, their wood walls etc.
They even had already 1600 BC such a metallurgy and knowledge of astronomy that not even the Egypts had at that time (Sky disc)...

Stop reading up the Romans so much but start learning more about your own people...barbarians or not! ;)

jeden:
The culture and civilisations stands oppose to the nature. When society appears, the first what people make is border beetwen them and nature.


Well...now it seems the higher developed a society becomes the more they care for their environment...retracting the walls between them and nature...giving back...guarding nature...;)
PRO-nature is the direction it goes!

And because our ancestors pagan beliefs doesn't need stone monuments to worship doesn't mean it was somehow "less"...

All a matter of view point it seems.
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Joined: Sep 20, 11 ♀ 		 Oct 4, 11, 00:53    #38
okkkkkkkkkkkkkk stop can anyone please tell me witch is older Ireland or Poland ??
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Ireland had Christian Kings when Poles were pagan forest dwellers. Make of that what you will shel'
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Ireland had Christian Kings when Poles were pagan forest dwellers.


yeah, and tomorrow is eastern ;)


for ireland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland


for poland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland
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Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 5, 11, 00:03    #41
yeah, and tomorrow is eastern ;)

Now,I know English is a second tongue for you,but.....WTF do you mean Eastern????
A wild guess though is you are trying to say Im wrong in some way. Well, Im just stating facts,not making judgments,ie Ireland doesnt "win" anything for being an older far more established collection of folks than poland...
From your own links;
The establishment of a Polish state is often identified with the adoption of Christianity by its ruler Mieszko I in 966, over the territory similar to that of present-day Poland. The Kingdom of Poland was formed in 1025

..beginning in the 7th century AD, a concept of national kingship gradually became articulated through the concept of a High King of Ireland.....The Chronicle of Ireland records that in 431 AD Bishop Palladius arrived in Ireland on a mission from Pope Celestine I to minister to the Irish "already believing in Christ." The same chronicle records that Saint Patrick, Ireland's best known patron saint, arrived the following year. ...
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Now,I know English is a second tongue for you,but.....WTF do you mean Eastern????

Yeah,I know English is a first tongue for you but...if you were an intelligent person you would figure that he meant Easter.It's not that hard,seriously.
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Of course he meant easter, pull the broom out yer arse grubas,anything to contribute to the thread?
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anything to contribute to the thread?

Not really.
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WTF do you mean Eastern????


yeah, tf, Ostern, u scottt. ;)

so what, i posted 2 links that anyone for himself could read what is and what not. ur comment was just arrogant, thats why the links.

guten abend noch
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Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 5, 11, 01:35    #46
Arrogant??? Huh? She asked a question that would take books to fully answer, I gave her a short but correct answer, whats arrogant about that?
You obviously view it as some compitition, a bit odd though,when was germany created,the late 18 hundreds wasnt it? :)
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Arrogant??? Huh? She asked a question that would take books to fully answer, I gave her a short but correct answer, whats arrogant about that?


sorry dude, but it passed to me like that. competition? me? germany? not necessary i suppose.

You obviously view it as some compitition, a bit odd though,when was germany created,the late 18 hundreds wasnt it? :)


whateva. who starts late often comes is 1st. :)
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Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 5, 11, 01:46    #48
I think my flippance (or disdain at expecting a simple answer to a half formed question) may have come across as arrogance,maybe,sorry if it did :)
Davidson613  Oct 13, 11, 21:35    #49
Crow is spreading so many lies. Ancient Slavic people were not advanced at all compared to others. We can't even find out much about their pagan religion because there is no writing about it.
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Davidson613:
Crow is spreading so many lies. Ancient Slavic people were not advanced at all compared to others. We can't even find out much about their pagan religion because there is no writing about it.


sorry to ask u, but do u have any proove for ur bave comment/claim?

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