Polish flag over the Reichstag first?

I just told you, Germans attacked Russia with 100% of their available forces, helped by Romanians, Italians, Finns, Hungarians and Slovaks and they still failed.

They just kept sending them west.

As the war progressed and surviving soldiers passed on their skills more and more Red Army troopers became the nightmare with the gun that Germans were so frightened of rather than a scared civilian with a rifle they faced initially.

They failed because they had to fight in the western front and in Africa too at the same time.

hen they first attacked Russia, they were very successful

Fighting on many fronts at the same time and the very cold winter did the rest.

Zhukov's men hated him he didn't spare them at all, Stalin forced soldiers to sacrifice themselves for gaining a city by a certain date no matter the cost, usually some socialist anniversary.

Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

In fact, the German advance had been so fast that it had compromised the whole army’s supply and communication lines. The Army Group Centre paused on the Desna but it was still thought that it was only catching its breath before moving inexorably on. However, it was now that the German army was compromised by its own leader – Hitler.

So much about your great Red Army, sok.

By Day 17 of the attack, 300,000 Russians had been captured, 2,500 tanks, 1,400 artillery guns and 250 aircraft captured or destroyed.

Germans have lived there for over 1000 years...

BB those were ethnic Poles (mostly) fleeing Poland using various relatives, most of them never spoke a word in german either! Poland was poor, Germany had a Marshalls Plan rolling you figure it out.

Russians also had quick victories on a large scale, Operation Bagration 22 June 1944 to 19 August 1944 through eastern Poland and Belarus for example where 20 German divisions simply disappeared.

Again rubbish, AGC stopped because its armored spearhead ran out of fuel and fuel was carried by trucks which in Russia had an average speed of 10MPH on dirt roads and dirt was the only kind of road there was.

How did Hitler screw up AGC in 1941 according to you?

YES PP (lol). The point is that they wouldn't have the Germans outnumbered if Hitler wouldn't attack so many countries at the same time.

Maybe. Maybe not. He was so worried about Bolshevikism, yet he didn't focus on the source of Bolshevikism, the Soviet Union. He was spread thin, but I doubt he would have beat the Russians anyway. Besides, he would have concentrated his military on Russia only to find France, Britain and others attacking his exposed Western border.
Either way he was completely outnumbered! Even with the wehrmacht, he would have had trouble fighting the Russians first, everyone else after.

We'll never agree Sok doesn't matter how many links I (or anyone else)

will provide because you still have lots of sympathy for your Soviet friends and I personally deeply hate communism.

I'm providing neutral links (neither German nor Russian)

BB provided even a Russian link and you still dismissed it. You seem to be blind in your love to communism and that's why there's no sense to continue this exchange.

Just read the link I provided above.

No exception here. At the beginning of the WW2, if Hitler wouldn't go so many different directions, the Germans if they attacked just one country at the time, would have beaten any army out there.

Read the link Ironside provided. It's about Viktor Suvorov, a spy who wrote about the Red Army and Stalin. I believe what he writes about Stalin using Hitler to further communism. He seems to have done that.

The German Army lost to the Russian Army. England and France did not have to declare war on Germany so soon. They should have waited longer for Germany to exhaust itself in Russia, afterall that's what happened eventually.

To any military observer, the Russian Army was on the verge of a total collapse and Moscow seemed destined to fall.

If that's true,

Listen PP and few others too (no irony here I promise), do you consider yourself intelligent? I assume you do, then tell me why are you still seeing this as a discussion between us? I'm providing historical facts based on quite a few links in the meantime. This is not just some kind of private opinion, this is written by people who investigated history before they created this link and posted it online.

Well yes...and then we have reality. Fall of Nazi Germany.

Why did all that happen if the Red Army was smoke

You think all these people would let that outcome happen if the Red Army was this weak, ineffective thing?

Of course we have and I told you earlier why, Hitler attacked to many countries at the same time. In a case of the SU, additionally came the really cold winter that helped the Soviets to beat the Germans.

I'm providing historical facts based on quite a few links in the meantime.

Germany was going to attack France whether France declared war or not.

He would have ran into just as much trouble focusing all his attention on Russia.

would have eventually exhausted the wehrmacht, leaving Britain, France and America opportunity to sweep in and get him from the west. He just didn't have enough people in his army to be that powerful and others were not fighting for him. He was isolated. He would have burned himself out, eventually, no matter what.

True but one battle doesn't make a war. The Soviet Army defeated Hitler's German war machine. They were defeated by the time of the 1944 Normandy invasion (yes, the weather helped).

Shear numbers win wars unless you are talking nuclear.

You seem to totally ignore what I'm saying.

Everyone agrees Hitler was the Nazi flaw.

he was the biggest enemy of his own country and people.

But you should ask yourself if the Nazis would have been just as bad without him