Polish-German alliance.

So would such an alliance be a bad or a good thing, opinions?

It was impossible true but we've been discussing a purely could-be situation where despite all unlikelyhood Poland ends up in the German camp.

It turned out to be Poland's biggest mistake as well... Allies: Brits and Americans tricked to believe Polish solders that they were fighting for a democratic Poland after war was over, on that behalf Katyn massacre was scrupulously masked, Sikorski killed.... As a result we received 50 years of Bolshevism after war was over. Communism was far more devastating. I think that Poland once and forever should stop looking for "friends" in United States of Israel because we have none there.

On the other hand Poland would had sunk with Germany and Stalin would had ruled till East Germany after the end....so nothing new here!

Bratwurst Boy: Poland which nationalism was as worse as the german one

Bratwurst Boy: annoying, irritating and aggravating Poland

Allied supervised plebiscites favorable to Germany were ignored in three disputed territories

Victory in the border conflicts created a Poland in which a third of the citizenry was composed of non-Polish Germans, Lithuanians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians or Yiddish speaking Jews.

The districts of Allenstein and Marienwerder vote to remain German. Results of the Allied supervised plebiscite show 460,000 electors in favor of Germany against 16,000 for Poland.

Upper Silesia votes to remain German. Results of the plebiscite show 702,000 electors in favor of remaining with Germany against 479,000 who favor annexation to Poland. Pro- German vote is concentrated in a few isolated pockets surrounded by a largely pro- Polish countryside.
Fighting erupts between German troops and Poles led by Plebiscite Commissioner Wojciech Korfanty. Two months of inconclusive battles convince the Allied Powers to set aside the results of the plebiscite.

Beyelorussian schools, cultural societies and Orthodox churches closed.

Polish troops led by Colonel Beck take disputed districts of Cieszyn, Orawa and Spisz from Czechoslovakia.

Jews were not allowed to work in the civil service, few were public school teachers, almost no Jews were railroad workers and no Jews worked in state-controlled banks or state-run monopolies (i.e. the tobacco industry). Legislation was enacted forcing citizens to rest on Sunday, ruining Jewish commerce that was closed on Saturday.
Their economic downfall was accompanied by a rise of anti-Semitism. In the late 1930's a new wave of pogroms befell the community and anti-Jewish boycotts were enacted.

A rather tricky subject, today a German friend of mine and i had a chat about WW 2, when asked what was Hitlers biggest mistake he told me "not allying with Poland".

Germany sunk because of shortages in manpower and equipment, Poland as an ally equals at least a milion more troops at a time when Germans did not have that milion.

when asked what was Hitlers biggest mistake he told me "not allying with Poland".

I would have said the biggest mistake was invading Russia......

Allies: Brits and Americans tricked to believe Polish solders that they were fighting for a democratic Poland after war was over, on that behalf Katyn massacre was scrupulously masked, Sikorski killed....

So would such an alliance be a bad or a good thing, opinions?

Not really he had quite a good shot at defeating Russia, he failed but thats not really Russias doing, mostly it was his own fuck ups.

However, Hitler's really big mistake was no having an alliance with Britain.

It would have been better for the Germans (might well have won the war in Russia if they had hadn't had to waste troops in Poland) but would have had much the same result for Poland as was with no alliance.

However, Hitler's really big mistake was no having an alliance with Britain. With Britain and the Commonwealth fighting alongside Germany, the USA and France would have done nothing in the war and Russia would almost certainly have stood no chance attacked on three sides by German and the two Empires.

Not really, lots of Hitlers hatred towards Poland came from the defiant resistance it put up both politically and later militarily.

Have you been to the Allied cemetery in Krakow to put flowers on the graves of the British men who died fighting for Poland in Poland? The same men who you insisted didn't exist until you were provided with their names and exact burial locations.

On the other hand Poland would had sunk with Germany and Stalin would had ruled till East Germany after the end....so nothing new here!

One should read Mein Kampf to see that the idea of Poland - Germany joint venture would have been impossible. Hitler's whole idea of the Thousand Year Reich depended on stealing land from the Slavs.

Oh, come on. He considered us sub-human long before than.

One of Adolf Hitler's first major foreign policy initiatives after coming to power was to sign a nonaggression pact with Poland in January 1934. This move was not popular with many Germans who supported Hitler but resented the fact that Poland had received the former German provinces of West Prussia, Poznan, and Upper Silesia under the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. However, Hitler sought the nonaggression pact in order to neutralize the possibility of a French-Polish military alliance against Germany before Germany had a chance to rearm.

Oh, come on. He considered us sub-human long before than.

And let us not forget: any alliance with Germans would have made Poles active and conscious acomplices in Nazi crimes, especially the Holocaust, but also massacres in the Soviet Union.

Yes, that`s correct. To gain Lebensraum in the East was Hitler`s obsession.

Formulation and Execution of the Plan to Invade Poland

"The Pole is no 'supplementary enemy'. Poland will always be on the side of our adversaries. In spite of treaties of friendship, Poland has always had the secret intention of exploiting every opportunity to do us harm.

"The Polish problem is inseparable from conflict with the West.

"Poland's internal power of resistance to Bolshevism is doubtful. Thus Poland is of doubtful value as a barrier against Russia.

"The Polish government will not resist pressure from Russia. Poland sees danger in a German victory in the West, and will attempt to rob us of the victory.

"If it is not certain that a German-Polish conflict will not lead to war in the West, then the fight must be primarily against England and France.

"The relation to Poland has become unbearable. My Polish policy hitherto was in contrast to the ideas of the people. My propositions to Poland, the Danzig corridor, were disturbed by England's intervention. Poland changed her tune towards us.
The initiative cannot be allowed to pass to others. This moment is more favorable than in two to three years. An attempt on my life or Mussolini's could only change the situation to our disadvantage. One cannot eternally stand opposite one another with cocked rifle. A suggested compromise would have demanded that we change our convictions and make agreeable gestures. They talked to us again in the language of Versailles. There was danger of losing prestige. Now the probability is still great that the West will not interfere. We must accept the risk with reckless resolution. A politician must accept a risk as much as a military leader. We are facing the alternative to strike or to be destroyed with certainty sooner or later."

Russia was Hitlers obsesion, Poland was briefly considered as a viable ally, of course these have been brief musings of several staff oficers but mainly because of Polands opposition rather than Nazi Germany not wanting to.

So would such an alliance be a bad or a good thing, opinions?

To put it frankly, they may have agreed on boycotts of Jewish goods, and I can also see Dmowski passing purity laws, but I can't ever imagine Dmowski setting up extermination camps.

Not really he had quite a good shot at defeating Russia, he failed but thats not really Russias doing, mostly it was his own fuck ups.

- How many names have you provided and how many locations? Just because one lost bomber plane, piloted by Canadian volunteers, crashed somewhere in Galicja still doesn't change ANYTHING, regardless what you'd like to think. Poland did not receive any type of formal, military help from its so called allies, when they fought for its own independence and it is fair to say that no Brit ever died for Polish independence, period. Now you can stop being a loonie and finally admit something.

would very much suggest that you get your foul lying excuse for a human down to Krakow and light candle at the following graves. These are only the names which start A to C. To find all the others you will need to go to cwgc.org/search/cemetery_reports.aspx?cemetery=2016900&mode=1 and look for any member of the RAF who was shot down during the time of the Uprising and was in Squadron 31, 34, 148 or 178.
AIRD, DENNIS, D Sergeant ( Flt. Engr. ) 1875074 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 05/08/1944 19
ASHMORE, KENNETH JAMES, K J Sergeant ( Air Gnr. ) 1796373 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 05/08/1944 Unknown
ASPINALL, CLIFFORD, C Sergeant ( Air Gnr. ) 2206350 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 05/08/1944 Unknown
BARRETT, FERNARD JOSEPH, F J Flight Sergeant ( W.Op./Air Gnr. ) 1671099 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 15/08/1944 23
BONNEY, ALBERT MILVRON, A M Flying Officer ( Air Gnr. ) 53201 Royal Air Force 17/08/1944 22
BOWDEN, RONALD CECIL, R C Sergeant ( Air Gnr. ) 1877179 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 16/10/1944 21
BRADSHAW, EDWARD, E Warrant Officer ( Air Gnr. ) 9448551 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 17/08/1944 Unknown
CARROLL, JOHN ALOYSIUS, J A Warrant Officer ( W.Op. [Air] ) 1117201 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 05/08/1944 Unknown
CLARKE, JOHN DOUGLAS, J D Flight Sergeant ( Air Gnr. ) 527242 Royal Air Force 17/08/1944 Unknown
COWAN, WILLIAM FRANCIS, W F Sergeant ( Air Gnr. ) 1902826 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 16/10/1944 31
CRABTREE, CHARLES WILLIAM, C W Pilot Officer 173346 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 05/08/1944 23