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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 8, 08, 17:34 #1

Crow has posted one of first Polish coins ... and on them there are some signs in Sarmationa language ...

(we used some signs before Hitler ;) look properly on this coin)

some official Sarmatian signs noticeable on this coin :

I have decided to find and post some informations about some Sarmatian legends customs and traditions.

So firstly Sarmatians:

geocities.com/reginheim/sarmatians.gif

ancient Sarmatian jewellery:

Sarmatian warriors:

;-)

Ok ancient World is ancient world...

What was later :

Sarmatism in Poland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

Sarmatism embodied the dominant lifestyle, culture and ideology of the szlachta (nobility) in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from the 16th century to the 19th century. Together with Golden Liberty, it formed the unique aspects of the Commonwealth's culture.

This belief became an important part of szlachta culture, penetrated all aspects of life and served to differentiate Polish szlachta from Western nobility (which szlachta called pludracy, a reference to trousers, not worn by the szlachta but popular among the Westerners) and their customs. Sarmatian concept enshrined equality among all szlachta, traditions, horseback riding, provincial village life, peace and relative pacifism , popularised eastern (almost oriental) clothing and looks (żupan, kontusz, sukmana, pas kontuszowy, delia, szabla), served to integrate the multiethnic nobility by creating an almost nationalist sense of unity and pride of the szlachta's political Golden Freedoms.

What contemporary Polish historians consider one of the most essential features of this tradition is not Sarmatian ideology but the manner in which the Rzeczpospolita was governed. The democratic concepts of law and order, self-government and elective offices constituted an inseparable part of Sarmatism. The king, though elected, still held the central position in the state, but his power was limited by various legal acts and requirements. Moreover, only the nobles were given political rights, namely the vote in the Sejmik and the Sejm. Every poslel (or member of sejm, had the right to exercise the so-called liberum veto, which could block the passage of a proposed new resolution or law. Finally, in the event that the king failed to abide by the laws of the state, or tried to limit or question nobles’ privileges, they had the right to refuse the king’s commands, and to oppose him by force of arms.

Sarmatians acknowledged the vital importance of Poland since it was supposed to be an oasis of the Polish nobles’ Golden Liberty, surrounded by absolutist countries, and at the same time the bulwark of Christendom, fiercely attacked on all sides, by Protestants, Muslims and members of the Orthodox Church.

In contemporary Poland, the word "Sarmatian" (Polish: sarmacki) is a form of ironic self-identification, and is sometimes used as a synonym for the Polish character

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Edited by: Filios1 Mar 8, 08, 17:48 #2
Those pictures of Sarmatian warriors, very much remind me of Mongols, or Tatars, or any other fighting unit from the steppes. Odd how they are so similar. Now that I looked again, I thought of Persians : )

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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 8, 08, 17:53 #3

Filios1 wrote:

Those pictures of Sarmatian warriors, very much remind me of Mongols, or Tatars, or any other fighting unit from the steppes. Odd how they are so similar.

I could find that kind of pictures ... I don't know how do they look for you. Mongolians this time were somewhere near China ... and apeared after 1000, and this map comes form 400 BC. Worrior presented here come forom this era as well.

ancient Greeks had seen them this way (maybe more realitic than pictures I have posted) :

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 8, 08, 19:09 #4
OK so maybe I will continue. Polish nobels thought that only them form Polish society had origing in Sarmatia. (later some historicans realized that is is not true ... ) Look once again on some Sarmatian signs: and on coat of arms of some Polish nobels : (once again this Coat of Arms has nothing to do with 3rd Reich) this is mine Coat of Arms :) with ancient origin:

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Edited by: Crow Mar 9, 08, 03:36 #5

If you ask me what was/is Polish historical mission among Slavs (but also for rest of the world), i would tell you that i think that it was/is Polish Sarmatism.

Thru Sarmatism we have insight in organization of ancient Slavic society, military organization, primordial and fundamental principles of modern democracy, symbolism, spiritual values, etc.

Glory to Poles for this achievement! My deepest regards

One more thing

Name of Sarmatians was once universal name for all Slavs. Then, some scientist point on Serbian name (on Balkan, in Lusatia, Baltic, Siberia) as form of preserved original Sarmatian name. If this could be proved as scientific fact without any debt- i would agree that preservation of original form of Sarmatian name was real historical mission of Balkan and Lusatian Serbs. Also, Balkan Serbs (only them from all Slavs) preserved in active use, ancient family custom- SLAVA, Christianized form of old Slavic spiritual ritual dedicated to ancestors (later more about it).

Obviously, we all have our role in bigger picture

Slava!

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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 9, 08, 06:25 #6

What can be interesting Legendary Amazons have origin in Sarmatia ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons

The Amazons (in Greek, ) were a mythical ancient nation of all-female warriors. Herodotus placed them in a region bordering Scythia in Sarmatia. Speculation based on archaeological evidence that some Sarmatian women may have participated in battle has led scholars to suggest that the Amazonian legend in Greek mythology could have been inspired by real warrior women

and finaly King Arthur ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_basis_for_King_Arthur

In 1978, C. Scott Littleton and Ann C. Thomas expanded on the ideas of Vasily Abaev and Georges Dumezil and published their theory of a connection between the Sarmatian people and the history and later legend of King Arthur. The Alano-Sarmatians were steppe nomads from what is now southern Ukraine, who fought from horseback with a kontus ('lance'), longsword and bow and carried a shield with a tamga marking, similar to heraldry. They wore scale armour and conical helms, and were known in the 2nd century for their skill as heavy cavalry. In 175, Marcus Aurelius hired 8,000 Sarmatians into Roman service. 5,500 of these recruits were sent to the northern borders of Britain. These men probably settled around their base in modern-day Lancashire, where their descendants were still documented as a "troop of Sarmatian veterans" in 428.

The culture of the Sarmatians is also relevant to the legends of Arthur. Apart from their skill as armoured knights, they held great, near religious, fondness for their swords — their tribal worship was directed at a sword sticking up from the ground, similar to the Sword in the Stone motif. They carried standards in the form of dragons, a symbol also used by Arthur and his father Uther Pendragon.

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Edited by: Crow Mar 9, 08, 08:32 #7

Lukasz wrote:

OK so maybe I will continue. Polish nobels thought that only them form Polish society had origing in Sarmatia. (later some historicans realized that is is not true

agree on this but have something to add

In the last stage of existence of ancient free Slavic world, before era of slavery occurred, on the territory of Poland, Czeska, Slovakia and today’s Hungary- was positioned last great core of Sarmatian/Slavic world, recognized from all Sarmatians/Slavs.

Note designation for region Panonia (known as Roman province). Name, coming from Polish word Pan- Mister, Master and represent trace of time when border line of Polish influence and importance of warlords from Polish speaking/cultural area had great global Sarmatian/Slavic importance. So, by analogy and thru translation- Panonia would mean `ancestral land of masters/nobility` and because of great importance of Panonia for all Sarmatians (Slavs), that region later becomes target and was devastated, destroyed from Roman legions, Teuton knights and Huns.

That’s why later Polish nobility claimed that `coming from Sarmatians` (referring on universal Slavic name from the powerful/glorious days) and also referring on fact that in their veins flow blood of ancient warlords and masters of great Sarmatian/Slavic tribal alliance.

Key reasons why old Sarmatian (Slavic) core was displaced from Western Balkan (Serbia) to the Poland, via Panonia- were on the first place security reasons and then economic factors. After all, population increased and seized larger portion of territory affected interests of nobility. But, it is amazing that we with almost absolute certainity can analize how blood (connections/interests) of ancient nobility (continued even in middle age) flow on the dirrection Balkan-Baltic. Very, very interesting fact, which support thesis that Slavic world is much older then many of us can imagine.

Old core (on the territory of today’s Serbia) was consolidated, as even genetic science confirms, due to evolution from the Paleolithic, in time which come after Ice Age was finished.

That primordial ancestral population slowly increased, developed and spread along the Danube, Sava and Tisa Rivers (then, etc, etc rivers), especially after agriculture was invented. With time, Mediterranean trade becomes key source of profit for old warlords. On Mediterranean, Sarmatians (Slavs) clashed for the first time and fought for primate and for survivor, fighting against Semitic races.

Then, amber was found when Sarmatians (Slavs) reached North of Europe. Amber trade routes and security reasons due to advancing Semitic newcomers (Greece, Northern Italy), made that ancient nobility change center of its activity, and redirect its attention from Mediterranean to Panonia and territory of today’s Poland, deeper in Sarmatian (Slavic) inland.

Fact that old Sarmatian core was on Balkan was one of key reasons why original form of Sarmatian name survived in use among Balkan Slavs and then spread along the Danube river together with population and stays remembered as universal name of all Sarmatians/Slavs (as old chronicles and linguistic science suggests).

On example of Siberia we see trace of Sarmatian (Aryan) intercontinental migrations and in Rg Vedic scripts we can read about time when Sarmatians clashed with Black races to preserve their primate even on Ind river. We clearly see that Sarmatian (Slavic/Proto Slavic) world was stretched from Ind River in today’s India, via Eurasia and near East to the British islands and west of Europe.

To be continued [with focus on evolution of universal Slavic names based on forms with roots- SRB, SLAV and RUS]

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Mar 9, 08, 09:18 #8
I thought Sarmatians were more Iranian than Slavic. Did they smoke dope like the Scythians did?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 9, 08, 10:21 #9
osiol wrote: I thought Sarmatians were more Iranian than Slavic.Did they smoke dope like the Scythians did? I think you don't understand everything ;)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Mar 9, 08, 10:44 #10
Lukasz wrote: I think you don't understand everything I understand most of what you said there, but not everything. So... dope-smokers or what?

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Mar 9, 08, 11:02 #11

<div class="quoting">Crow wrote:

hen, amber was found when Sarmatians (Slavs) reached North of Europe. Amber trade routes and security reasons due to advancing Semitic newcomers (Greece, Northern Italy), made that ancient nobility change center of its activity, and redirect its attention from Mediterranean to Panonia and territory of today’s Poland, deeper in Sarmatian (Slavic) inland. </div>

Yes I remeber what I have said about origin of Husaria.

geocities.com/rik_fox/husaria/hussar14.jpg

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Mar 9, 08, 11:11 #12

Here is something a little more precise. In my other post I just wanted to state that I didn't think the Sarmatians could be equated with Slavs.

The various different groups of people who came from the steppes were of multiple origins: Mongols, Turks, Finno-Ugrians and Indo-Europeans. The vastness of the region and the lifestyle that kind of terrain produced in its occupants kept people moving. In some ways, it is almost more like an ocean than a landmass like the heavily-populated and largely sedentary population of Europe.

Tribes would join forces and form allegiances, and other times would break away, seperate and even settle. Hungarians are a good example of this. Their language descends from an Ugric language spoken just north of the steppes. Climatic and cultural change caused them to become more nomadic and do as the steppe-dwellers did, thus picking up a huge amount of Turkic vocabulary.

The Hungarians who invaded Europe eventually mixed with the extant population (probably largely Slavic), whereas those who remained in the east shifted their language to a Turkic one, probably mostly Bashkhort.

Genghis Khan has been quoted as saying that a nation of one culture is weak, whereas a nation of mixed tribes is strong. I take this as meaning they took the best ideas from all who joined them. The English saying 'Somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan' meaning despotic is an idiotic one.

As for terms like 'Sarmatian' or 'Sarmacki' to describe something in the national character, this sort of thing happens in lots of different countries. Gallishness to describe the French is one example. Their 'Pays du Galles' is in fact Wales. The French descend only in part from the Celtic Gauls who once lived in part of France.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 9, 08, 11:15 #13
Mongolians came to Russia after 1100 AD... and your post was very racist, there is tatar miniority in Poland and they are very decent people. We were discussing much different issues which happend much ealier and on Polands terytories. btw I see Osiol that you have some problems with Polish Vikings or Sarmatians ... ;)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Mar 9, 08, 11:17 #14
Lukasz wrote: some problems with Polish Vikings What was my problem with Polish Vikings?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Mar 9, 08, 11:19 #15
Crow wrote: To be continued [with focus on evolution of universal Slavic names based on forms with roots- SRB, SLAV and RUS] I wait for something interesting Crow, because I see you have some interesting informations ... :) See ya later :)

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Edited by: Crow Mar 9, 08, 11:33 #16

osiol wrote:

thought Sarmatians were more Iranian than Slavic.
Did they smoke dope like the Scythians did?

for Proto Slavs and Slavs, in history was used many different names

Speaking particularly about Sarmatians and Scythians (both branches of Proto Slavs/old Slavs) we know that they were kin ethos’s which later mixed and difference between them was practically annulled. Some of their tribes were nomadic, some lived from agriculture.

But Osiol, you must have in mind that, what was Iran few thousands years ago, its not what is Iran today (even scientific climatology confirmed that fact).

More in case with Rg Vedic text`s that i mentioned and parts which is important for understandings of Sarmatian/Slavic past...

Most probably that Rg Vedic manuscripts preserved memory on time when Whites (proto Slavs) were pushed from around Ind River, pushed from darker races.

I would remind you that ethnic name of Serbs, form - Srbinda represent only ethnic name of today existing White ethos which is mentioned in Vedic scripts. Vedic word Srbinda has almost identical sound and has practicaly same meaning as word `Srbenda` of modern day Serbian language. (Srbenda - meaning Serb in superlative).

Now, having in mind that linguistic science established correlation between name of Sarmatians and name of Serbs (that word Serbians represent some kind of original form of Sarmatian name) and if we know that Sarmatian name was universal name of all Slavs we can focus our attention on Rg Veda`s text:

HYMN XXXII. Indra.
http://astrojyoti.com/rigvedabook8b.htm

``2. Strong God, he slew Anarsani, Srbinda, Pipru, and the fiend,
Ahisuva, and loosed the floods.``

What we see here is that Srbinda (read Sarmatians) were victims of `Strong God` (some enemy) but, also of natural catastrophe (flood). Those were reason of Sarmatian disaster on Far East.

Veda`s also remembered who was foe of Srbinda (Sarmatians):

Vedic Glossary…
http://www.blessingsonthenet.com/glossary/getalpha.asp?pg=353&flag=1

Srbinda- ``Name of a foe of Indra``

So, considering that Indra in Vedic text designate native population of Indra (Black Indians) from the other/Black side of Ind River and, that Srbinda was their foe, we understand that stronger enemy (in that moment) was, together with natural catastrophe (flood) as I said, reason that most Eastern branch of Sarmatians was pushed back from Ind River.

All this support Vedic thesis that Black India was invaded by advanced culture of Whites (Aryans/in fact Sarmatians) but, that after great struggle Blacks of India pushed Whites back.

It is known that White`s gave nobility (ruling castes) to Black`s of India. In general, Whites of Rg Veda`s aren`t remembered as something evil that happened to India. On the contrary, Whites (Sarmatian) were remembered as more advanced newcomers which played positive role in Indian history.

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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 9, 08, 12:39 #17

ok I think Sarmatism isn't about whiteness and blackness ...

as to Mongolians it was part of old Polish - Russian discussion (Russians didn't like to talk about that so Poles like to talk about that esp after partitons of Poland) ... finaly we went in to wrong direction.

Ok so what Poles consider to be Sarmatian.

Art form 1600 - 1800s is considered very Sarmatian.

Poles consider patriotism as very Sarmatian.

In later era when Poland was patitioned, Poles believed that Poles are "choosen by God" and era of Polish romantism is considered as influnced by some Sarmatian traditions.

Golden Freedom and Noble Democracy is considered as very Sarmatian.

High Women possition in society is considered Sarmatian.

There are some examples of poetry which are considered Sarmatian.

Some military traditions are considered Sarmatian.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 10, 08, 19:04 #18
I see my post about Polish Sarmatians made some confusion on forum ok to make everything clear: Poland: bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/3896/z3896456X.jpg Iran India Ok I used CFM idea to make it clear ;-) maybe now G will comeback ;)

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 08, 04:55 #19
Whatever happened to the Sarmatians? Where did they go? Can anyone trace their family roots to Sarmatians?

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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 11, 08, 05:14 #20

This link is hard core :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

Ukrainians feel Sarmatian as well ...

When you will read my previous posts, you will notice some noticable connections with Sarmats in Polish culture.

Ozi Dan wrote:

Can anyone trace their family roots to Sarmatians?

Honestly there are so many theories about Sarmatians/Aryans etc. that nothing is sure. And it is very sensitive case ... so you know.

Finaly everybody want to be Sarmatian ... and want to exclude others ;) Germans tell Slavs are not Aryans (Sarmatians), Slavs that Germans are not Sarmatians , Brits have their theories as well ... Finaly DNA researches show that in XX century we all are mix ...

I think you should rather talk to Crow or Bratwurst to know more ;-) I am interested about Polish meaning of Sarmatism in XVI century. What means Noble democracy, tolerance, political system...
and it has nothing to do with XX century ideologies.

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Edited by: Crow Mar 11, 08, 11:48 #21

Lukasz wrote:

What means Noble democracy, tolerance, political system...
and it has nothing to do with XX century ideologies.

it is shame brate how you deflect from rightfull Polish contribution to global civilization

Obviously, Poles today need Serbian support more then Serbians need Polish. I mentioned that already once

Lukasz wrote:

Germans tell Slavs are not Aryans (Sarmatians), Slavs that Germans are not Sarmatians

truth is truth no matter what people want and, there is no progress without truth. That`s why informative age bringing revolution on the field of Slavic history

Germans are connected with Sarmatians/Aryans as much as they are ready to admit that great deal of modern German nation represent just germanized Slavs

Lukasz wrote:

(we used some signs before Hitler ;) look properly on this coin)

SVASTIKA and many other ancient symbols belong to Slavic heritage. So, there is no need that you in the beggining of story about Sarmatians apologise to anyone for you talk about our great heritage.

Its not Slavs who should apologize. Its sin of others who used Svastika (symbol of light and sun) as symbol of evil and hijaced symbolism of it.

For me, Nazi/Hitler use of Svastika was just one more attack on Slavs, attack on spiritual and even on methapisical level, part of `drang nach osten`

Masks would fall down sooner then many think and Slavs would walk with dignity. World would be batter place, balanced

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Mar 11, 08, 12:55 #22

Crow wrote:

Lukasz wrote:
What means Noble democracy, tolerance, political system...
and it has nothing to do with XX century ideologies.

it is shame brate how you deflect from rightfull Polish contribution to global civilization

Obviously, Poles today need Serbian support more then Serbians need Polish. I mentioned that already once

Lukasz wrote:
Germans tell Slavs are not Aryans (Sarmatians), Slavs that Germans are not Sarmatians

truth is truth no matter what people want and, there is no progress without truth. That`s why informative age bringing revolution on the field of Slavic history

Germans are connected with Sarmatians/Aryans as much as they are ready to admit that great deal of modern German nation represent just germanized Slavs

Lukasz wrote:
(we used some signs before Hitler ;) look properly on this coin)

SVASTIKA and many other ancient symbols belong to Slavic heritage. So, there is no need that you in the beggining of story about Sarmatians apologise to anyone for you talk about our great heritage.

Its not Slavs who should apologize. Its sin of others who used Svastika (symbol of light and sun) as symbol of evil and hijaced symbolism of it.

For me, Nazi/Hitler use of Svastika was just one more attack on Slavs, attack on spiritual and even on methapisical level, part of `drang nach osten`

Masks would fall down sooner then many think and Slavs would walk with dignity. World would be batter place, balanced

Indeed my Slavish brother Crow! All evil in this world come from germany, they stealed out symbols and soo they will try to steal our land on their `drang nach osten` again! Everyone can see what german Federation of Expellees iintend to do. But once alll Slavs shall unite under leadership of Poland and then we shall do 'drag nach westen' !

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 11, 08, 13:20 #23

cfm wrote:

All evil in this world come from germany,

Erm....:)

cfm wrote:

But once alll Slavs shall unite under leadership of Poland and then we shall do 'drag nach westen'

And that's better than pan-germanics "Drang nach Osten" because.....?

Crow wrote:

SVASTIKA and many other ancient symbols belong to Slavic heritage

Let me guess...some Pole (or half Pole) invented it, right?

To bad that the rest of the doesn't know your truth!

URL

"Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. An ancient symbol, it occurs mainly in the cultures that are in modern day India and the surrounding area, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It has long been widely used in major world religions such as Hinduism, Roman Catholicism, Buddhism and Jainism."

And now you don't only claim the Swastika but now Slavs are Aryans too...ROFL

You are all really happy in your little, weird world, aren't you? :)
Can't you stay with something of your own?

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Mar 11, 08, 13:32 #24

cfm wrote:

But once alll Slavs shall unite under leadership of Poland and then we shall do 'drag nach westen' !

Poland has its place in Slavic world, on a golden pedestal- that`s for sure

i won`t complaint if leading movement for Slavic Alliance or Union, comes from Poland. Poland was great Sarmatian center, last remembered core of free ancient Slavic world. It would be rightfull that Slavs continue from point where they were interupted because of outside invasion- when era of slavery occured

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 11, 08, 13:37 #25
Hey Crow....the last weeks you were so deeply disappointed as all your prognoses were proven wrong: First: Kosovo will never dare to declare Independence Second: Nobody will dare to recognize it Third: All your slavic Brothers will take up fight for Serbs Fourth: At least your russian brothers will march for Serbia You got it all wrong! What makes you think your next prognoses will happen??? :)

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Edited by: Lukasz Mar 11, 08, 14:14 #26

Bratwurst Boy wrote:

Let me guess...some Pole (or half Pole) invented it, right?

I see you try to insinuate some theories, The fact is that this sign appears ... in Finalnd, Poland, Ukriaine, Russia, Sweden, Iceland ... in some parts of ancient Roman empire as well. I am not going to argue who invented it, the fact is that Germans slandered this sign ...

Bratwurst Boy wrote:

What makes you think your next prognoses will happen??? :)

Of course ! :) Now Serbs should give up Kosovo join EU be "good boy" be our friend in EU and wait to moment when you will think about increasing amout of musilims in your country ...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 08, 14:26 #27
Lukasz wrote: The fact is that this sign appears ... in Finalnd, Poland, Ukriaine, Russia, Sweden, Iceland ... That was not my point! My point of amusement was your implication that it's somehow of slavic ORIGIN! Lukasz wrote: Now Serbs should give up Kosovo Earth to Lukasz...that's no longer a serbian choice! It's gone.. (And I doubt reverting that will make the Turks in Germany go home)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 08, 15:14 #28
Lukasz wrote: they should use your methods, join togheter with Albanians EU and simple start buying land in Kosovo ... That would be a possibility! Lukasz wrote: More and more people started to think about their origin and more and more money is used to check some theories Been there, done that....you imitators look lame! :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 11, 08, 15:17 #29
Bratwurst Boy wrote: That would be a possibility! That is why you need permition to buy something more than house or flat ... now when prices are similar maybe something will change ... Bratwurst Boy wrote: Been there, done that....you imitators look lame! :) Hitler looks lame and your avatar looks lame LOL ... he used wrong ideology !

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 08, 15:23 #30
Lukasz wrote: your avatar looks lame Hey! My girls like it! :)

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