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Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂ 		 Jul 1, 11, 22:12    #31
guesswho:
We're talking here about the past of Pomerania and according to the information I have, it was in German (Prussian) hands longer than in Polish.

TRUE
Keep in mind that Gdańsk was in Polish hands longer then German (Prussian) you can find dates here in PF. And then Germans claims Gdańsk as a German city because of German population there.
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		 Jul 2, 11, 00:05    #32
ender:
Keep in mind that Gdańsk was in Polish hands longer then German (Prussian)


there's only one problem here, even in times when the city was associated with Poland, the population was still mainly German and they spoke German language.
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Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 2, 11, 07:24    #33
ender:
Keep in mind that Gdańsk was in Polish hands longer then German (Prussian) you can find dates here in PF. And then Germans claims Gdańsk as a German city because of German population there.


And? Pomeranians weren't Poles, they actually fought against them and were later Germanized.
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You can see in the first frame in this video that Poland had Pomerania in the year 990 (The begining of Poland)
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Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: ender  Jul 2, 11, 08:30    #35
guesswho:
there's only one problem here, even in times when the city was associated with Poland, the population was still mainly German and they spoke German language.

And your problem is we didn't kill them all like they did to Poles to settle there? Obviously after some years under Teutonic boot they prefer to exist under wings of Enlightened Republic.
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Palivec:
And? Pomeranians weren't Poles, they actually fought against them and were later Germanized.


Pomeranians were Lechites. Like Poles are.
Kashubians, Slovinicians & other Lechites lived in Pomerania.

Poland is a united Lechitic nation.

Polabians were also Lechites & Made up much of North & East Germany.
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Mieszkoł Iszy:
Sold to Poland in a legitimate transaction by German Emperor Otto I.Polish since 972 AD!


And Bosnia was sold by the Ottomans to Austria in 1909 but that does not make it legitimate part of Austria.
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 Jul 2, 11, 08:56    #38
The women also in Pommerania must be very hardcore.I already have two invitations from MILFS there for some marathons.Now I realaized where this place is located.
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Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jul 2, 11, 12:40    #39
guesswho:
there's only one problem here, even in times when the city was associated with Poland, the population was still mainly German and they spoke German language.

Nope, they spoke Latin.
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PolskiMoc:
You can see in the first frame in this video that Poland had Pomerania in the year 990 (The begining of Poland)


And in 1940 Germany had Poland. What's your point?
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: legend  Jul 2, 11, 21:22    #41
Palivec:
And in 1940 Germany had Poland. What's your point?


The point is that the first COUNTRY to have Pomerania was Poland.
Everything in between is basically irrelevant because borders switch all the time.

Some Germans always talk about how Poland was part of Prussia for many years
but they are forgetting who put a flag there first :)
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legend:
The point is that the first COUNTRY to have Pomerania was Poland.
Everything in between is basically irrelevant because borders switch all the time.

Some Germans always talk about how Poland was part of Prussia for many years
but they are forgetting who put a flag there first :)


So, Silesia is Czech and East Prussia German? And almost everything else Italian?
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Jul 2, 11, 21:49    #43
Palivec:
So, Silesia is Czech and East Prussia German? And almost everything else Italian?


Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

Majority of Silesian borders is in Poland.
The first known states to hold power there were those of Greater Moravia at end of 9th century and Bohemia early in the 10th century. In the 10th century Silesia was incorporated into the early Polish state, but it later broke into independent duchies, coming under increasing Czech and German influence.

East Prussia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia

Almost everything Italian?

Are you drunk lol?
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ender:
And your problem is we didn't kill them all like they did to Poles to settle there? Obviously after some years under Teutonic boot they prefer to exist under wings of Enlightened Republic.


For one, why is this my problem, what are you talking about? I don't know what Polish history books are saying about it but what I know about it, it was a strictly economic connection. As I said earlier, each country teaches different history, no point to overreact here. If you start talking about killing, you'll find enough of it on both sides.
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legend:
Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

Majority of Silesian borders is in Poland.


No, Greater Moravia was the first COUNTRY to own Silesia, followed by Bohemia, and as you said, that's all what counts. So, get out of Silesia, it's rightfully Czech.


legend:
Almost everything Italian?
Are you drunk lol?


I spoke about Europe as a whole. France, Spain, Portugal, England... all Italian.
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Palivec:
No, Greater Moravia was the first COUNTRY to own Silesia, followed by Bohemia, and as you said, that's all what counts. So, get out of Silesia, it's rightfully Czech.


If they want it they can ask. The answer will be a harsh NO :)

I dont have problems with todays borders okay?

But we were discussing Pomerania and the fact it was first Polish and is Polish today. There shouldnt be an argument about it in the first place >_>



Palivec:
I spoke about Europe as a whole. France, Spain, Portugal, England... all Italian.


Its debatable if Roma= Italy but more accurate would be Roma.

Or we can just say Neanderthals -_-
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Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: TheOther  Jul 3, 11, 01:00    #47
legend:
The point is that the first COUNTRY to have Pomerania was Poland.

Pomerania is Polish at the moment, so be happy. Nobody cares what happened 10,000 years ago, and nobody gives a hoot what will happen 10,000 years in the future. Geez, what's wrong with you people?
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TheOther:
Pomerania is Polish at the moment, so be happy. Nobody cares what happened 10,000 years ago, and nobody gives a hoot what will happen 10,000 years in the future. Geez, what's wrong with you people?


I am happy. And I care only very little what happened 10,000 years ago.
Whats wrong with us? Nothing. Just debating lands :)
hatchet77  Jul 3, 11, 03:00    #49
10,000 years ago they ate bigos, complained about immigrants trying to steal their women, insisted other religions other than their own were evil, blamed every problem on neighbouring civilisations, and spent their time talking about the bygone eras.
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Sokrates:
Nope, they spoke Latin.


nope, check next time before you correct me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Low_German
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Joined: Apr 6, 07 ♀ 		 Jul 10, 11, 02:40    #51
Wow, I still we are still fighting over cities that had Polish/German inhabitants! LOL
Anything NEW on PF?

Why not make one big thread an call it : "Contested Cities of Polish-German History: Gdansk, Silesia, Pomerania"

Then we can add any other cities that feel left out! :)

One stop fighting, you know, get it all done in one thread!
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shopgirl:
Anything NEW on PF?

Yeah, this thread cost us one Bratwurst loving Square Head! Booo!!!!!

Welcome back...
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Joined: Apr 6, 07 ♀ 		 Jul 10, 11, 02:49    #53
LOL

Bratski just can't help himself sometimes! *grins*

As for "welcome back" , thanks but I never really left. I pop in a read threads every once in a while, but so much of it is the same stuff recycled, that I didn't really have anything to say. :)

I was not completely surprised that there is still fighting over places like Pomerania. Seems like in any place where there was more than one entity occupying the space at any given time, it causes a rift between the occupants past, present and future!

After reflecting on how ardent these discussions are (after how many years?) I now have a better understanding of why ppl in the Middle Eat will never be able to share the holy places among them selves. There is something in human nature that wants to say "this is mine, not yours!" that no can share. Oh well.
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shopgirl:
I now have a better understanding of why ppl in the Middle Eat will never be able to share the holy places among them selves.



Never?? The German/French border seems pretty secure nowadays wouldn't you say?
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skysoulmate

Lol

The French don't like to squabble over stuff like that, they are lovers, not fighters, ja? :)
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shopgirl:
The French don't like to squabble over stuff like that, they are lovers, not fighters, ja? :)



That's only because the women who claim that have never met Americans with Polish blood and Swedish common sense. ;)

There was a time no one believed the Soviet Union would dissolve or that the Berlin Wall would fall. Don't ever say never. :)
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shopgirl:
Bratski just can't help himself sometimes! *grins*

Is he still sulking? He doesn't know about the new photo facility on your personal info page. I'll find him a nice picture of a helmet, not a single pink butterfly wing in sight if he comes back
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Hi Shopgirl, nice to see you posting again. And yes, we do miss Bratski around here. Hoping Daisy's offer will help entice him back here again.
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Joined: Aug 31, 07 ♀ 		Edited by: urszula  Jul 10, 11, 15:37    #59
They claim that the Pomeranian dog originated in Poland, so that's good.

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