Bratwurst Boy: I once watched a horrifying movie about the massacre in Babi Jar...around the poor sods on their way to the place where they would shot there was maybe a handful of german soldiers...but hundreds of brutal Ukrainians/whatever with clubs beating the Jews....many more than the Germans.
Ukrainians didn't kill a single Jew in Babi Jar. There was an auxillary unit of some sick Ukrainian f*cks, who took luggage from the Jews and some did kick those who walked slowly, but neither of them executed a single person.
The decision to kill all the Jews in Kiev was made by the military governor, Major-General Friedrich Eberhardt, the Police Commander for Army Group South, SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Jeckeln, and the Einsatzgruppe C Commander Otto Rasch. It was carried out by combined forces of SS, SD and SiPo.
All were driven in groups of ten down a corridor of SS soldiers, and then shot at the edge of the Babi Yar gorge. The crowd was large enough that most of the men, women, and children could not have known what was happening until it was too late: by the time they heard the gunfire, there was no chance to escape. In the evening, the Germans undermined the wall of the ravine and buried the people under the thick layers of earth.[12] According to the Einsatzgruppe's Operational Situation Report, 33,771 Jews from Kiev and its suburbs were systematically shot dead by machine-gun fire at Babi Yar on September 29 and September 30, 1941.[14] The money, valuables, underwear, and clothing of the murdered victims were turned over to the local ethnic Germans and to the Nazi administration of the city.[15]
I am glad they show some movies in Germany to lift the feeling of guilt from the growing young generations. To accuse others, like you did with Iwan Demyaniuk, who was freed by Israel court system, but is now tried in Germany for the 3rd time. But what do you want others to think of Babi Jar? Nazi Germany murdered 34,000 Jews there! And you call it:
Bratwurst Boy: there was maybe a handful of german soldiers...but hundreds of brutal Ukrainians
It was some handful...
It is estimated that more than 100,000 Ukrainians, mostly civilians, of whom a significant number were Jews, were murdered by the Nazis there during World War II.[2][9]
According to various estimates, during 1941—1943 between 70,000 and 200 000 Roma people were rounded up and murdered at Babi Yar. Patients of the Ivan Pavlov Psychiatric Hospital were gassed and then dumped into the ravine. Thousands of other Ukrainians were killed at Babi Yar.[18] Among those murdered were 621 members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN).
They murdered everyone, even people in hospitals. No one shot there was done by a Ukrainian.
I can understand your frustration that you might feel from the pressure from all sides, which touches innocent Germans that have nothing to do with it and want to move on, but it doesn't mean that you have to carve out and twist facts to make your point.
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