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The restoration of Polish cities from WW2 destruction

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pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Feb 18, 09, 13:51 / #1
I have always been fascinated with the process of rebuilding of Polish major cities after the WW2. For me it is an amazing phenomenon. There had been a city, next there were ruins, which eventually turned into a city again. Pure magic! Let`s see how much effort Poles had to put into the work. Warsaw should go first as Poland`s capital and most heroic city ever. The losses of Warsaw during WW2: 1. 800.000 people dead (that is twice as much as American army casualties which amounted to 400.000). 80 percent of the left riverside Warsaw ceased to exist, with such major districts as the Old Town, the New Town and Downtown. 10% in September 1939, 10% during Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (Germans levelled the Jewish district to the ground), 30% during Warsaw Uprising 1944. The remaining 30% are houses intentionally destroyed by German demolition units which carried Hitler`s mad order to eradicate Warsaw from the surface of the earth. Warsavians who had survived the war and started coming back to their city after being forcefully expelled by Germans, saw the ocean of ruins in the place where once beautiful city was located. Some examples The church of St. Alexander King Zygmunt III column lies on the ground, broken The Royal Castle 1945 - the total destruction http://images29.fotosik.pl/133/688aac06ec761691med.jpg St. John`s Cathedral Krasiński Palace - only the front wall was left. I cant` show you the photo now. strony.aster.pl/stolice/pliki/wa_krasinskich01.jpg Prudential - the pre-war skyscraper It had a very strong construction of welded steel beams. The famous picture shows the building hit by a 2-ton shell from the heaviest mortar ever used by Germans during the Warsaw Uprising. The ruin of the Polish Bank was only partly rebuilt after the war, like that famous building in Hiroshima, as a war memento. Hiroshima - the Bomb Dome The Old Town http://www.um.warszawa.pl/v_syrenka/foto/zniszczenia/39.jpg

HarryThreads: 26 Posts: 4,537 Joined: May 2, 07 Gender: Male	Feb 18, 09, 14:46 / #2
pawian: The remaining 30% are houses intentionally destroyed by German demolition units which carried Hitler`s mad order to eradicate Warsaw from the surface of the earth. His exact order was that Warsaw be turned into "a lake". My two favourite pieces of trivia about the rebuilding of Warsaw is where the materials came from for the Old/New town (cities like Szczecin and Wroclaw 'donated' millions of bricks) and the Muranow estate (built from (and on top of) the rubble of the former ghetto; according to the architect that was to represent a phoenix rising from the flames, according to more practical souls it was because there was no money to transport the rubble away and no money for building materials either).

TrevekThreads: 18 Posts: 1,357 Joined: May 21, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 18, 09, 19:36 / #3
Apparently the great door lock in the castle was able to be restored in detail because the great lock at Blenheim Palace in England is a copy of it. Researchers were able to go an study it.

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Feb 18, 09, 20:18 / #4
Trevek: Apparently the great door lock in the castle was able to be restored in detail because the great lock at Blenheim Palace in England is a copy of it. Researchers were able to go an study it. Wow! http://pro.corbis.com/images/BE029295.jpg?size=67&uid={59278c63-1c2f-4 3f9-ab74-93225339906d} Lock on Doors of Blenheim's Great Hall Original caption: 3/24/50-Woodstock, England: This ingenious lock on the main doors of Blenheim's Great Hall was copied from one on the gates of Warsaw. Winston Churchill was born at Blenheim Palace 75 years ago. http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid={59278C 63-1C2F-43F9-AB74-93225339906D}

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Feb 19, 09, 20:33 / #5
Pulling down damaged houses Not all quarters were reconstructed. Ufortunately, socialist planners decided not to rebuild most of bourgeaisie houses. Muranów before the war Turned into ghetto by Nazis was later razed to the ground except for one church. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/wawa4570/Image19.jpg They rebuilt it as a socialist estate of blocks Other were rebuilt but with modifications, e.g., tenement houses were deprived of their bourgeasie decorations. Or the church of St. Alexander 1939 1944 40-50s 2007 in this way the church regained its original form from 1860 Look at the map of pre-war Warsaw (second map on the site). Red colour means totally destroyed buildings which weren`t rebuilt, green means reconstructed or preserved ones. http://www.warszawa1939.pl/index_fotoplany.php E.g., one square It`s true that communists allowed to rebuild the Old Town and many things but they did a lousy job to most of pre-war architecture. Check this site- moving on an old photo you get a contemporary view. The second photo shows a synagogue today replaced by a skyscraper: http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/plac_bankowy1.htm or another change here http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/plac_napoleona1.htm and here http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/plac_3+1.htm The second photo shows that even the Old Town wasn`t reconstructed completely.... http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/plac_zamkowy1.htm The first photo shows that only one building was restored in the long street. http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/czackiego1.htm The once posh elegant Marshall Street turned into a socialist architectonic nightmare http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/marszalkowska3.htm Oh, my, Warsaw was once called the Paris of the East!: http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/marszalkowska8.htm http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/marszalkowska6.htm Links from this site: http://www.warszawa.przedwojenna.prv.pl/

HarryThreads: 26 Posts: 4,537 Joined: May 2, 07 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 20:44 / #6
pawian: Not all quarters were reconstructed. Ufortunately, socialist planners decided not to rebuild most of bourgeaisie houses. Not only that, they also pulled down undamaged houses! A fair number were pulled down for the MDM development, others for the Palace of Culture pawian: Turned into ghetto by Nazis was later razed to the ground except for one church. They rebuilt it as a socialist estate of blocks. It's more social-realist than socialist. I really like the place (which is one reason I live there).

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,457 Joined: Dec 29, 06 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 20:57 / #7
They made a good job of Gdansk too, but I dont know how extensive the damage was.

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 21:13 / #8
szkotja2007: They made a good job of Gdansk too, but I dont know how extensive the damage was. I am going to show Gdańsk too. Actually, I already presented it in another thread. But now this thread is Total! It includes all. Harry: Not only that, they also pulled down undamaged houses! A fair number were pulled down for the MDM development, others for the Palace of Culture Yes, correct. Poor Warsaw! Harry: It's more social-realist than socialist. I really like the place (which is one reason I live there). I am really sorry. :):):):)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07 Gender: Female [Moderator]	Feb 19, 09, 21:20 / #9
pawian: Turned into ghetto by Nazis was later razed to the ground except for one church. Do you know why they left that one church when they flattened the everything else?

HarryThreads: 26 Posts: 4,537 Joined: May 2, 07 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 21:33 / #10
PolskaDoll: Do you know why they left that one church when they flattened the everything else? There are two theories: one nice and one practical. The nice one is that the Germans didn't want to upset the Catholic Poles by demolishing a Catholic church. I think that explanation is bollocks (the Nazis proved time and again how little Poles mattered to them) and much prefer the practical one: the church made an excellent spot for snipers and artillery spotters to keep watch over the whole area of the former ghetto.

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 21:38 / #11
PolskaDoll: Do you know why they left that one church when they flattened the everything else? Yes. During the Ghetto Rising 43, Germans used the church as a storage house for looted goods. During Warsaw Rising 44 they used the tower as machine gun and observation post. They planned to blow it up too but somehow didn`t. http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%9Bci%C3%B3%C5%82_%C5%9Bw._Augustyna _w_Warszawie The view is really appalling.

HarryThreads: 26 Posts: 4,537 Joined: May 2, 07 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 21:50 / #12
pawian: During the Ghetto Rising 43, Germans used the church as a storage house for looted goods. Rather like the reason that the Nożyk Synagogue survived the war (the Nazis used it as a stable).

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07 Gender: Female [Moderator]	Feb 19, 09, 21:55 / #13
I see, now it makes sense. Thanks Harry and pawian. :) Yesterday I was reading about the re-building of Szczecin after WWII. Do you have any pictures of that pawian?

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 19, 09, 22:12 / #14
PolskaDoll: Do you have any pictures of that pawian? Plenty. But Szczecin is not my favourite city so I am going to post about it at the end. :):):)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07 Gender: Female [Moderator]	Feb 19, 09, 22:15 / #15
pawian: Plenty. But Szczecin is not my favourite city so I am going to post about it at the end. :):):) lol - OK. I'll wait patiently. :) Looking forward to your other pictures though. Good thread. :)

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: Moderator Feb 19, 09, 22:44 / #16
PolskaDoll: Looking forward to your other pictures though. Good thread. :) Restoration is so fascinating because it reminds me of resurrection. In a sense, Poland resurrected after WW2, though had been doomed for destruction by Nazis and Soviets. OK, one more post about Warsaw today. I think I already posted parts of it here and there, but this thread is Total. Paintings by Belotto/Canaletto from 18 century were used in rebuilding the city. 1945 Today [imgs]http://www.thevisitor.pl/Editor/assets/ulica%20miodowa%20(Small) .jpg[/img Ulica Świętokrzyska Before the war 1945 Today After the war the passage still stands Nothing in 1980. Today, the new Court building one broken link...removed

HWPielThreads: 1 Posts: 83 Joined: Oct 10, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 21, 09, 19:51 / #17
I believe that UNESCO funded, and conducted drives for funds for the rebuilding of Europe after WW2; especially in Poland. Henry

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Feb 21, 09, 22:26 / #18
HWPiel: I believe that UNESCO funded, and conducted drives for funds for the rebuilding of Europe after WW2; especially in Poland. Henry Hmmmm. Probably you mistake UNESCO with UNRRA. If you read somewhere about UNESCO, it was probably in the context of rebuilding cultural ties between former enemies in post war times. United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations established on 16 November 1945. Its stated purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through education, science, and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the UN Charter.[1] It is the heir of the League of Nations' International Commission on Intellectual Cooperation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO The United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA) was proposed to the United States Congress by president Franklin Delano Roosevelt on June 9, 1943 to provide relief to areas liberated from Axis powers after World War II. Roosevelt had already obtained the approval of the governments of the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and China, and sought to obtain the endorsement of 40 other governments to form the first "United Nations" organization. UNRRA provided billions of US dollars of rehabilitation aid, and helped about 8 million refugees. It ceased operations in the DP camps of Europe in 1947, and in Asia in 1949, upon which it ceased to exist. Its functions were transferred to several UN agencies, including the International Refugee Organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRRA

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Feb 22, 09, 23:23 / #19
Gdańsk before the war The city was seiged by Soviet Russian army and Germans put up fanatic resistance, as usual. When taken, the city was plundered and burnt by victors for many days. Poles, under communist party orders, rebuilt the parts of the city which were of biggest historical value or sustained lesser damage. Today`s Gdańsk, though beautifuul, is the shadow of what Gdańsk used to be before the war. 1945 http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-online/1945.html Unique films depicting pre and post war Gdańsk. http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-online/mm/videostart.html More pics, from 1946:

RandalThreads: 1 Posts: 759 Joined: Feb 14, 09 Gender: Male	Feb 23, 09, 00:46 / #20
Nice photo documentation of Polish resilience. Great thread!

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: Moderator Feb 23, 09, 09:53 / #21
Randal: Nice photo documentation of Polish resilience. Great thread! Yes, I am fascinated by people`s perseverence at the time. The first natural reaction of any human being upon the sight of those ruins is the feeling of total despair - nothing can be done with it. Let`s go somewhere else. Yet, they didn`t give up. Compare the same sites http://i25.tinypic.com/2exc781.jpg http://i31.tinypic.com/16bd645.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/jpiid2.jpg http://i31.tinypic.com/2190x3q.jpg Rebuilt Gdańsk. Most of these buildings were in complete ruin in 1945.

pixelpusherThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Mar 6, 09 Gender: Male	Mar 6, 09, 21:13 / #22
pawian: I have always been fascinated with the process of rebuilding of Polish major cities after the WW2. For me it is an amazing phenomenon. There had been a city, next there were ruins, which eventually turned into a city again. Pure magic! It was, and is, a tremendous achievement, but it wasn't pure magic. This success story has a dark side. In order to rebuilt Warsaw the Communists teared down several former German towns. Wroclaw is the most prominent example, but Jelenia Gora or Legnica are more interesting. Wroclaw was badly damaged, but Jelenia Gora was a fully preserved town, which was demolished until the 60s. Ditto for the town center of Legnica.

1jolaThreads: 26 Posts: 2,141 Joined: Sep 23, 08 Gender: Male	Mar 6, 09, 21:23 / #23
Pawian. Good thread. You might be interested in this great website/forum. Scroll down to the Warsaw section: http://kolejkamarecka.pun.pl/forums.php

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Mar 6, 09, 22:17 / #24
1jola: Pawian. Good thread. You might be interested in this great website/forum. Scroll down to the Warsaw section: Yes, a nice site. Thanks. pixelpusher: It was, and is, a tremendous achievement, but it wasn't pure magic. This success story has a dark side. In order to rebuilt Warsaw the Communists teared down several former German towns. Wroclaw is the most prominent example, but Jelenia Gora or Legnica are more interesting. Wroclaw was badly damaged, but Jelenia Gora was a fully preserved town, which was demolished until the 60s. Ditto for the town center of Legnica. That is very interesting. I knew about Wrocław but didn`t about Legnica and Jelenia Góra. I have aerial pics of those towns and indeed, a lot of houses are missing, even whole streets, it looks like black holes. But I thought they were so ruined it wasn`t worth rebuilding them. Jelenia Góra before the war: and today. You can see the lack of many houses. Pity. What remained still makes a very beautiful town.

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07 Gender: Male	Mar 6, 09, 22:35 / #25
Does anyone else find it extremely ironic that the English name for Warszawa is Warsaw?

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07 Gender: Male	Mar 7, 09, 00:29 / #26
Here's another website where you can see before/after pictures of specific locations in Warszawa: www.stalus.iq.pl

ZIMMYThreads: 7 Posts: 1,227 Joined: Feb 21, 09 Gender: Male	Mar 7, 09, 03:35 / #27
pawian: I have always been fascinated with the process of rebuilding of Polish major cities after the WW2. For me it is an amazing phenomenon I've wondered about that as well. No Marshall Plan for Poland but hard work. An amazing feat. Thank you for the pictures.

pixelpusherThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Mar 6, 09 Gender: Male	Mar 7, 09, 08:06 / #28
pawian: That is very interesting. I knew about Wrocław but didn`t about Legnica and Jelenia Góra. I have aerial pics of those towns and indeed, a lot of houses are missing, even whole streets, it looks like black holes. But I thought they were so ruined it wasn`t worth rebuilding them. Jelenia Gora wasn't ruined at all. It gets even more interesting: what you see today are reconstructions! More or less the complete old town was dismantled until the 60s and later rebuilt. Todays rynek is a reconstruction in more simple forms. Pure madness, if you think about it. Legnica looked like this after the war and before it was dismantled (the old quarter was a rare example of Frederician baroque): wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/33964,foto.html Today it looks like this: wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/21916,foto.html But you don't have to stop here. Warsaws churches were destroyed too. When these churches were rebuilt churches from former German territory provided the interiors. The most prominent example is Lubiąż, which provided more than 30 paintings for Warsaw, whereas the stalls are in Stężyca now. That's why the church looks like this today: wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/98369,foto.html

pawianThreads: 18 Posts: 1,389 Joined: May 30, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: pawian Mar 8, 09, 21:27 / #29
Kołobrzeg was in complete ruin after WW2. 80% of the city was destroyed. About a siege and battle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko%C5%82obrzeg Before the war Today We used to go to Kołobrzeg in 70s. I remember socialist blocks of flats, a few sanatoriums and hotels and vast empty space in the center around the rebuilt Cathedral and a few houses which weren`t destroyed. In 90s they started rebuilding the Old Town. The houses are not faithfully reconstructed, they were designed in pseudo-historical style, some quite controvercial. The beginning of reconstruction. http://pu.i.wp.pl/?k=MjgyNzYzODAsMTkwODE4&f=stary_KOL.jpg The result.

HarryThreads: 26 Posts: 4,537 Joined: May 2, 07 Gender: Male	Mar 10, 09, 16:45 / #30
pawian: Ulica Świętokrzyska Before the war Today Those photos are taken from pretty much the same location but facing in opposite directions (prewar shot looks east, postwar looks west). The building in the prewar photo with a flag on the top has been reconstructed and is now Warsaw's main post office. One of the reasons that the destruction was more intense is that the edge of the ghetto was pretty much where those photos were taken and the ghetto was to the west of that spot.

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