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Edited by: Crow  Oct 29, 09, 21:03    #1
It is hard to say from when started Polish-Serbian historical contacts but, relationship is continual and originates in time immemorial. What i can note is that history of Polish-Serbian contacts belong to most interesting chapters of Slavic and European reality.

This story is about Serbian influence on Polish military doctrine.

Did you know that famous Polish Winged Cavalry and Hussars represent one of crucial results of contacts between Polish and Serbian nobility, warrior class and people.

Then, read....

Story about Polish Hussars beggan with Turkish invasion on Slavic world, in moment when Turks reached western Balkan and south-eastern Europe, when they reached Serbian lands.

Serbian Hussars

http://dariocaballeros.blogspot.com/2009/04/serbian-hussars.html

the very begining of Polish Hussaria belongs entirely to the Balkan Serbian warriors already known as hussars (for almost a hundred years prior to their coming to Poland).

They came to the Polish Kingdom, at the end of the 15th century, in search of military employment and probably somewhat of a easier life, and our Polish Kingdom did offer these noble refugees from the Turkish-Hungarian-Habsburg wars of the 15th century plenty of religious freedom and economic prosperity...

Polish-Serbian Hussars in Orsha battle
Orsha battle; Polish-Serbian hussars can be seen in action circa AD 1514 in this very large 1530s painting from the Polish National Museum in Warsaw

Pictures and text that follow are from the work of Franchman Nicolas de Nicolay who described unknown Serbian Winged Rider- `Discours et histoire véritable des navigations, pérégrinations et voyages, faicts en la Turquie, Anvers, 1586`

original text >>>

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here, among else, we can read: ``i was curious about that warrior, full in armour and feathers [for whom Nicolas de Nicolay thought that was Turkish deli-horseman] and, i asked about his faith... he said that he is Serbian and that he joined to the Turkish caravan only because he also travel to Istambul (Constantinople). He said that he only pretend to be nice to Turks but that he is Christian by his will and his soul and he said few prayers as a proof to confirm his identity- Simbol of faith, Mother of God and Our Father. Prayers were said in Greak and on his native Serbian langauge.``

in his book Nicolas de Nicolay contines: ``i asked warrior why he uses all those feathers on his equipment. To look more terribe to my enemies, to confuse them in battle- answered warrior. Warrior then said that by the tradition of his people, feathers could be used only by brave warriors who deserved that in real combat and who are known by their skils and virue. Featers are decoration exclusively for brave warriors. That`s what i was able to get as information from that warrior.``

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pics are original work of Nicolas de Nicolay and represent unknown Serbian Winged Cavalier

Comparision of unknown Serbian warrior mantioned in above text with Polish Winged Hussar >>>

from Gusar to Hussar

Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku.

Source:
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html

translation:

Very likely that the beginning of its existence Husarz owe to the Serbs. After the defeat at Kosovo in 1389, Serbs everywhere sought an opportunity to seek revenage on the Turks.

Jan Dlugosz enrolled in the year 1463, that the battle over the Sava fought Cohors Raczanorum (Raców branch - the Serbs). After the death of King Matthias Corvinus, the Serbs went to the Poland, to continue the struggle against the Turks after usarsku.


Encyclopedia Wirtualna Polska
http://encyklopedia.wp.pl/encid,1730632,name,racowie,haslo.html

racowie, lekka najemna jazda złożona z Serbów, znana na Węgrzech od XIV w.; w Polsce w końcu XV–pocz. XVI w. służyli w obronie potocznej.

to be continued

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 Oct 29, 09, 21:25    #2
True. Racowie gave us the gift of Hussaria. I'll post my collection of photos when you finish.

A book recommendation(in Polish):

Historya Jazdy Polskiej by Konstanty Górski (a XIX century historian).

http://www.empik.com/historya-jazdy-polskiej,2841046,p?gclid=CKXlg-2K4 50CFQQFZgodZiSaMQ
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Edited by: Crow  Oct 29, 09, 23:27    #3
few important quotations >>>

The Polish Winged Hussars

Sobieski at Chocim
This painting by Wojciech Kossak, depicts the husaria at Chocim, in 1621, where the Polish Army repulsed a 100,000 strong, united Turkish and Tartar army in this battle

Researched and Written by Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska, B.F.A.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html

The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.

In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras.

By the 17th century, Polish hussars were held in even higher esteem and they made their own style of dress. The wings were of Serbian origin too. It was thought the wings were made to defend the backs of the men against swords and lassos, but modern theory is that they were used as intimidation. The noise and appearance of the feathers in the wind would spook the enemy's horses. The wings were mounted on a brass-edged wooden frame. The feathers were inserted into this frame, which was mounted on brackets or hinges (see illustration above). The wooden poles were arched at the top.

Gear at Grunwald

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HERBARZ/2001-03/09838394 31

If I may quote Ryszart Brzezinski's excellent work, Polish Armies 1569-1696 (1) (Osprey, London, 1987).
"The hussar originated in Serbia towards the end of the 14th century. There are references to hussars in Poland in treasury returns of 1500, though they were probably in Polish service before this date. These early formations were foreign mercenaries, first known as Racowie from the term Rascia, 'Serbia', from the original centre of the Serbian state, Ras. The term 'hussar' probably originates not - as has been widely published - from any connections with the Hungarian husz meaning 'twenty', but from gusar, a Slavonic word meaning 'bandit'.

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Polish-Lithuanian (Winged) Hussar

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Commonwealth Hussar, wings visible. Painting by Aleksander Orłowski

Hussar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussar

Light hussars

A type of irregular light horsemen, already well established by the 15th century. The word hussar derives from the Hungarian huszár. Originally, it derives from the Serbian word `gusar` (Cyrillic: гусар) meaning bandit, pirate. According to an alternate theory, the word is derived from the Hungarian word of húsz meaning twenty, suggesting that hussar regiments were originally composed of twenty men. Initially they fought in small bands indeed, but were reorganised into a strong, highly-trained and motivated formation during the reign of King Matthias I Corvinus of Hungary. Under his command the units took part in the war against the Ottoman Empire in 1485 and proved successful against the Turkish Spahis as well as Bohemians and Poles. After the king's death in 1490 many hussars fled to other Central and Western European countries and became the core of similar light cavalry formations created there.

Section 4 – Arms & Armor of the Commonwealth

http://www.plcommonwealth.org/polishcostume4.doc

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:o-8CVtpuyZkJ:www.plcommonwealth.o rg/polishcostume4.doc

Hussars

In the muster rolls of the armies of Poland and Lithuania, the terms ‘Racowie’ (Serbian) and ‘hussar’ or ‘gussar’ appear in the mid 1400’s26. When you think of the grand Polish husaria, in their expensive and flashy winged armor, it is easy to forget what the root word really meant – robber! It’s also interesting to note that ‘robber’ implies a ferocious fighter that would strike fast and hard. That implication must certainly have been on the mind of King Bathory, when he re-formed the husaria in that image.

The First Polish Hussars

The first hussars of the Commonwealth were light cavalry in a support role to the ‘traditional’ heavily armored knights, and were formed just before 1500. You can see that documented in the painting of the battle of Orsza in 151427. They served not only the Commonwealth, but also show up in woodcuts describing their service to the Holy Roman Empire of Maximilian I (figure 8). Looking at these images, you can see how the Jagiellon Kings had drawn upon the light, hard hitting Turkish Spahi and Deli as well as the Hungarian and Serbian hussar in the creation of their own cavalry (in fact, some Serbs did serve the Commonwealth).

The Fall of The Medieval Kingdom of Hungary

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/warso/warso10.htm

Branches of Service, Tactics, and Morale

Moreover, border defensewhere extensive areas had to be protected by small forces and masshad to be compensated for by speed (just as in China, the ByzantineEmpire, or Spain), also required light cavalry. Their elite wasformed by the hussars of Serbian (rac) background. Hungary's light cavalry before the arrival of the Serbian refugees, provided by the Cuman, Jasz, and Szekely contingents, was far from competent in the raiding tactics needed for the constant fighting along the borders. Hence outsiders, such as Serbs, had to be hired for the purpose.(Nor was this a peculiarly Hungarian solution: China and the Byzantine Empire likewise had to resort to a foreign force of light cavalry to defend their borders.) Of course, after a while the hussars became assimilated; in fact, as we know, they came to be atypically Hungarian branch of service. In the Jagellonian period the proportion of Serbs within this corps must have still been considerable. The combat value of the hussars--whether Hungarian or Serbian--was rather high. They acquired a European-wide reputationas masters of the raiding warfare carried out day in and day outalong the borders, as attested to by numerous contemporaries. According to the Venetian ambassador Suriano, the Hungarian armored cavalry was inadequate, but the light cavalry was "the best in the world."

Sobiesji at Wienna
Sobieski at Vienna by Juliusz Kossak

more on Polish army development >>>

Polskie pamiątki husarskie. Szable polsko-węgierskie

01 październik, 2007
http://www.sztuka.pl/index.php?id=124&tx_ttnews%5Bcat%5D=20&tx_ttnews% 5Btt_news%5D=818&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=119&cHash=2285583c70

Racowie, czyli południowi Słowianie (Serbowie) w służbie węgierskiej. Tworzyli oni oddziały lekkiej jazdy, uznane przez historyków wojska za pierwowzór husarii. Prawdopodobnie też z ich języka pochodzi słowo szabla (serb.: sablja). Szybko zaczęto wytwarzać tę broń na miejscu. Produkcja krajowa nie wystarczała jednak na pokrycie węgierskich potrzeb, więc zamawiano także głownie oraz całe szable za granicą, głównie w Styrii, w miastach Weitz i Graz.

Beginning of the 16th Century

http://www.jasinski.co.uk/wojna/develop/dev02.htm

The heavily armoured knights, so common in Prussia, were too cumbersome and slow against the elusive cavalries of the East and began to discard the horse-bard but their numbers still dwindled as a new type of cavalry grew prominent, called racowie.

These were light cavalry armed with lance and shield with Serbo-Hungarian origins. They found success against the Tatars using tactics of speed and maneuverability and a powerful, knee-to-knee, full gallop charge.

Winged Hussar
Husaria
Hussars
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Edited by: Crow  Oct 30, 09, 15:51    #4
1jola:
I'll post my collection of photos when you finish.

Please, don`t hesitate. What you have in collection?


Serbian medieval Empire was destroyed by Turks. For the centuries, Serbians lived under occupation and liberated themselves only thanks to Polish and Russian help. God bless our brothes to the end of time, for their help to us.

Serbs- ancient gate keepers were sacraficed for the good of Slavija and Europe. In its last scream, Serbian medieval Empire over Sarmatian connections gave one precious gift to Poland- ancient secret of the best cavalry skill in the world, wonderfull and magnificent concept of `knee to knee, tight formation` of riders that were absolutly dedicated to fight and that used armour and feathers as addition to their powerfull impact on enemy. `Knee to knee, tight formation` increasing powerfull effects of cavalry charge to the maximum.

What was once famous Celtic and Sarmatian cavalry stayed preserved among nobility and riders of central Serbian land of Ras (that`s why name of Racowie for Serbin riders).

Only good God knows what would be path of Serbian history if Turks didn`t appear on horizon. For sure, many Slavs wouldn`t be germanized, nor hungarized, nor enslaved.

Anyway, when i see how Poles used skills of Serbian Gusar`s and upgraded it i am proud and i know that Serbs didn`t sacrafice themselves on Kosovo for nothing. What is important to me is that knowladge and skill lived and was even increased thanks to beloved Slavic Poland. Among other reasons, that`s why i like Poland, i love my people, my sisters and brothers from Poland. Every Polish succes, for me is my personal succes and sucess of my own Serbian people.

And if our foes destroy Serbs and if God let them to do so, i won`t cry, i would continue to live for Poland and for Slavija, to the last peace of my strenght that is left.

BUT, enemy won`t pass. Serbia still stand!

Glory to Poland! Glory to the last core of Sarmatia! Poljska! Poljska! Poljska!

here are some pics of Hussars that i have >>>

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Goooo Poland!
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 Oct 30, 09, 16:00    #5
Crow:
1jola:
I'll post my collection of photos when you finish.

Why don't you show us your stamp collection as well while you are at it.
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Edited by: 1jola  Oct 30, 09, 16:16    #6
time means

You didn't know what to say, so the Beevis and Butthead thing was just natural.

But you're right, I've already seen my photos of hussar armour, waeponry, and paintings and have read all the books worth reading on the subject.
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Edited by: time means  Oct 30, 09, 16:34    #7
1jola:
You didn't know what to say, so the Beevis and Butthead thing was just natural

Never watched it matey. Tis all my own work :-)
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 Oct 30, 09, 16:49    #8
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It took me back to my passing out parade and my youth. damm i wish i was 18 again!

When I think back to my soldierboy days, the parade ground is far from were my best memories come from. But, I know what you mean.
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Edited by: Crow  Oct 30, 09, 17:08    #9
well, well

anyway, this is my favourite quotation about Polish Hussars,... best description of Hussar`s powerfull charge. Feel it >>>

Polish Cavalry

Poland

http://www.cavhooah.com/polish.htm

"We saw it…. the hussars let loose their horses. God, what power! They ran through the smoke and the sound was like that of a thousand blacksmiths beating with a thousand hammers. We saw it…. Jesus Maria! The elite's lances bent forward like stalks of rye, driven by a great storm, bent on glory! The fire of the guns before them glitters! They rush on to the Swedes! They crash into the Swedish riters…. Overwhelm them! They crash into the second regiment - Overwhelmed! Resistance collapses, dissolves, they move forward as easily as if they were parading on a grand boulevard. They sliced without effort through the whole army already! Next target: the regiment of horse guards, where stands the Swede King Carol.

And the guard already wavers!

--Description from Potop "Deluge" Henry Sienkievich.

Hussar in full battle dress

Thank you Poles. Oh, thank you
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Edited by: Crow  Dec 23, 09, 01:20    #10
So, wings and feathers of Serbian light cavalry and later of Polish Hussars could be connected with the memory on original horseman equipment from glorious `Sarmatian` times, when both- Poles and Serbs were nothing but Sarmatians.

Seams that Lusatian and Balkan Serbs preserved momory on Sarmatian times, keeping once universal name of all Slavs (Sarmatian name) as their own ethnic name. Linguistic science go that far to suggest that ethnic name of modern day Lusaian/Balkan Serbs (SRBI, SRBIJANCI, SRBLJI) most probably represent some original form of Sarmatian name (even on local level) that went tru Greak and Roman/Latin transcription and was recorded in form `SARMATI`. In that scenario root SRB was crucial element in ancient original form of Sarmatian name.

As for the Poles, nobody es they didn`t preserve memory on specific Sarmatian organization and social structure. While Serbian `Sarmatism` was best preserved in the continuity of use of Sarmatian name and in military doctrine- in powerfull `knee to knee` cavalry tactic, in decoration of horses and riders, Polish `Sarmatism` included memory on practicaly all aspects of society and customs.

Europeans and Sarmatians– Polish Baroque, by KRZYSZTOF MROWCEWICZ

II. Sarmatians

a. The Phenomenon of Sarmatism

The starting point for Sarmatism came froma legend about the origins of the Slavs written by Renaissance histori-ans (Marcin Bielski, Marcin Kromer), based on ancient and medievalsources. According to Pliny, early Central and Eastern Europe hadbeen inhabited by a hardened people called the Sarmatians. In the 16th century they came to be identified with the ancestors of thePoles. Poland was therefore “Sarmatia,” and its inhabitants were heldto be “Sarmatians.”

The noble Polish youths tossed gold coins into thecrowed, the wings of the Hussars ruffled, and peacock featherswaved…

Source: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache%3Aq-2JKP1Ck3sJ%3Af.polska.pl%2Ffi les%2F29%2F208%2F59%2FEuropeans_and_Sarmatians_Polish_Baroque.pdf+sarm atian+feathers&hl=en
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 Dec 23, 09, 01:26    #11
Didn't Serbia just apply to join the EU or am I dreaming (and Crow sticking his fingers in his ears screaming "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!"

Imagine the tragedy, having to trade in all the past and future pan-Slavic glories (of which there are .... none) just for the sake of improved living standards. The injustice of it all!
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 Dec 23, 09, 03:42    #12
mafketis:
Imagine the tragedy, having to trade in all the past and future pan-Slavic glories (of which there are .... none) just for the sake of improved living standards. The injustice of it all!

Do you mean to say that improved living standards can only be achieved by joining the EU?

Merry Christmas to Crow & all the other PF members.
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 Dec 23, 09, 10:02    #13
Babinich:
Do you mean to say that improved living standards can only be achieved by joining the EU?

No, but it's a good bet. For all that's wrong with it (which is a lot, really a lot) the EU has a better record of reducing poverty and raising living standards among its member states than any other organization of its kind, it's not even remotely close.

That doesn't mean I'm in favor of continued, continual integration (I might like to turn back the clock on a few things, like basically disolve the parliament or greatly reduce its size and scope). But overall the EU isn't nearly as awful as some would like to believe.
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 Dec 23, 09, 14:30    #14
If you wait for EU to improve your living standards,then...you will wait for a long time.Good wine as we say in Greece.
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Edited by: Crow  Dec 23, 09, 15:42    #15
mafketis:
Didn't Serbia just apply to join the EU or am I dreaming (and Crow sticking his fingers in his ears screaming "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!"

Serbia would be anexed, no matter if somebody call it `joining`. That`s not secret

mafketis:
Imagine the tragedy, having to trade in all the past and future pan-Slavic glories (of which there are .... none) just for the sake of improved living standards. The injustice of it all!

If Poles, Russians and Ukrainians didn`t help to Serbs in time of Ottomans, till now Serbs would extinct. If Russians didn`t support Serbia after NATO bombarded us in 1999, Serbian economy would already face absolute disaster. Thanks to Russian support Serbian economy already expanding. That`s how it is

Babinich:
Do you mean to say that improved living standards can only be achieved by joining the EU?

there are alternatives

Babinich:
Merry Christmas to Crow & all the other PF members.

thank you. I wish all the best to you and to your familiy :)
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Edited by: Crow  May 29, 10, 00:30    #16
Serbs now need Polish support!
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 May 29, 10, 01:00    #17
Seems pretty silly to be proud of things which you yourself had no part in.
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 May 29, 10, 01:05    #18
TransAtlantyk:
Seems pretty silly to be proud of things which you yourself had no part in.

honest words
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Edited by: SeanBM  May 29, 10, 01:07    #19
Sokrates:
Crow i love you like a raped teenager in a soundproof basement

Not being accustomed to this particular use of the word "love", I am just wondering, is it a lot or a little?
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Edited by: Crow  May 29, 10, 01:13    #20
What is this? NATO hackers tries to hijack my thread? they would like to hijack truth.

seams that NATO and EU fears from Serbian influence on Poles. EU have different plans for Poles, to combine them with Arabs

Go out of my thread you NATO and EU maniacs!
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 May 29, 10, 01:16    #21
Combine them with Arabs? What does this even mean?
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 May 29, 10, 01:17    #22
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Combine them with Arabs? What does this even mean?

WTF TransAtlantyk? you are just in Trans
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 May 29, 10, 01:19    #23
Yes, I am just . . . in Trans . . . ?

You don't happen to be a cryptologist, do you?
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 May 29, 10, 01:19    #24
TransAtlantyk:
Combine them with Arabs?

It means Crow is a Christian, which is a Middle Eastern religion, he turned his back on his Slavic Gods and is a happy convert.
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 May 29, 10, 01:23    #25
Crow: ........"the tradition of his people, feathers could be used only by brave warriors who deserved ....."
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Hmmmm, must be in my blood as I always have a feather in my hat.
........but seriously, very nice job, lots of interesting and positive facts, well done.
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Edited by: Crow  May 29, 10, 02:08    #26
from official Polish Website

http://www.husaria.jest.pl/
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html

Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku.

Zaciężni Serbowie i Węgrzy służący po usarsku w początkach XVI wieku walczyli bez jakiegokolwiek uzbrojenia ochronnego, ewentualnie używali tarcz i lekkich pancerzy. Lekkość była dużym atutem w walce z szybkim przeciwnikiem jakim byli np. Tatarzy.
Polscy rycerze biorąc przykład używali lekkiego pancerza i tarczy. Przejmowali też inną broń Raców - kopię.

Racow

Husarze tego okresu stanowili stadium między lekką kawalerią zwaną Racami, lub Husarzami, a późniejszą Husarią. Mniej więcej od połowy XV wieku, Racowie zaczęli powoli zastępować kopijników jako trzon polskiej kawalerii.

Husarze
http://wayofwar.org/showthread.php?t=21163&pagenumber=

Racow1
Racow2
Husaria ; J. Cichowski, A. Szuczyński
http://husaria1.webpark.pl/his_hus.htm
Początki husarii należy szukać na przełomie XV i XVI wieku. "Oto są husarze" - taki zapis można znaleźć w rejestrze skarbowym pod rokiem 1500, za czasów panowania króla Jana Olbrachta. Swój początek zawdzięcza husaria Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu (w 1389 r.) i utracie wolności Serbowie udali się między innymi do Polski, aby dalej " z drzewem i tarczą - po usarsku" walczyć z Turkami. Kronikarz Maciej Stryjkowski zapisał, że w 1501 r. "...Raców niemało za pieniądze żołnierskie po usarsku służyło..."

first Polish Winged Hussars were direct copies of Serbian Winged Light Cavalry >>>

Racow4
Racow5

Racow - original
Serbian Winged Gusar (original meaning- Corsair) of Light Cavalry, pic. from the beginning of story (thread)

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Польские крылатые гусары

Автор статьи Здислав Жигульский (Zdzislaw Zygulski), перевод с польского и адаптация текста, Арсентий Красницкий
http://www.rawicz.by.ru/HusHisZygulskiZ.htm

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Serbian Gusari in Polish service, Orsha battle, 1514

В такой ситуации отряды лёгкой гусарской кавалерии, которые формировались в основном в Сербии и Венгрии во времена Маттиаса Корвинуса (Matthias Corvinus) и хорошо себя зарекомендовали в войнах против Турции, были приглашены в Польшу. В списках польской и литовской армий начала XVI в. гусары упоминаются много раз. Их описывают как конных солдат, вооружённых тонкими копьями, щитами и саблями. Термин "Racowie", которые обозначает "Сербы", часто используется в этих источниках, но также упоминаются и некоторые венгерские имена. Слово "гусары" или "гасары" в оригинале звучали как "грабители" на сербском.

Одно из лучших иконографических свидетельств про гусар в начале XVI в. можно найти на масляном рисунке по дереву размером 162x232 см, датирующемуся около 1520 г. и хранящемуся в Национальном музее в Варшаве. На рисунке изображена битва под Оршой. В этой битве 8 сентября 1514 г. совместные силы Польшы и Литвы одержали блестящую победу над армией Василия III, князя Московского.


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Edited by: Sokrates  May 29, 10, 06:27    #27
Crow:
please, masturbate out of my thread. Idiote

Come on Crow i'm Polish and you call me an idiot you're contradicting yourself, where's the brotherhood?!

Good morning btw:)
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Not being accustomed to this particular use of the word "love", I am just wondering, is it a lot or a little?

If Crow is a she and looks like Jessica Alba its a LOT, otherwise just a figure of speech:)))
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 May 29, 10, 13:24    #28



Nice pictures of Polish winged men. Here is a German winged man.
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Edited by: time means  May 29, 10, 13:28    #29
Wroclaw:
Here is a German winged man.


With wings of fire. Beat that Crow.

Makes yours look pretty plain. Outdone by the Germans, again!
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With wings of fire.

let them burn


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