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Edited by: Crow  May 29, 10, 18:42    #31
till now we were able to see enough evidences of obvious influence of Serbian military doctrine on formation of Polish Winged Hussars. Let us now try to investigate in which ambient, in which circumstances Serbian medieval cavalry developed into the (as experts confirms) the best cavalry in the world, best of all times.

So, among else, i would talk to you about Serbs,... true their own eyes, thru the eyes of historians and scientists, thru the eyes of those who loved/love Serbs and thru the eyes of Serbian foes.... SRBI, as they call themselves >>>

Serbs

The British pay Tribute to the Serbs - Guardians of the Gate

“The Serbs - The Guardians of the Gate” by R.G.D. Laffan is an old, wonderful book that documents the views of a Briton on the Serbians. Originally published in England in 1918, the book was also published in 1989 in the United States by Dorset Press, New York, a division of Marboro Books Corporation. The 1989 publication, which was given to me as a gift by the late Professor Alex Dragnich in 1994, does not contain the original Foreword written by Vice-Admiral E. T. Troubridge, C.B., C.M.G. that was included in the 1918 publication. I wanted to include that Foreword by E.T. Troubridge here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2436291/posts

In researching the history of the Serbians, the “old” books, now often out of print but still available if you search for them, are invaluable. Given the particularly volatile relationship the Serbs have had with the British over the years, it’s important to consider just how highly the Brits regarded the Serbs BEFORE the poison of Communism and political expediency entered into and compromised that relationship.

"Now, when we return to England, we shall, at any rate, be in a position to declare that we found one Balkan race, the Serbs, to consist of the best of fellows. Our companies have had Serbs attached to them, as guards or drivers, and very sorry we were when they were withdrawn. Though most of us could not say anything to them except 'Dobro' (‘Good’), we managed to understand them, and to make ourselves understood. They were always cheerful, kindly, helpful, with a skill in many handicrafts that made camp-life more comfortable for themselves and us. And I think we may flatter ourselves that they liked us and our ways, and found the British character sympathetic with their own."

"…It will be necessary throughout to remember that the Serbs look back with pride to the great days of their independence in the Middle Ages, and to their empire which once embraced the whole Balkan peninsula, except southern Greece and the coast-towns."

Serbian Empire

Serbian Empire
Serbian medieval Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Empire

The Serbian Empire (Serbian: Српско Царство, Srpsko Carstvo) was a medieval empire in the Balkans that emerged from the medieval Serbian Kingdom in the 14th century. The Serbian Empire existed from 1346 to 1371.

Tsar Dushan the Mighty
Tsar Dushan the Mighty, Stefan Uroš IV, Tsar of Serbia (1346–1355), of Nemanjic noble house that was originally Catholic but due to conflict with Pope, turned to Orthodoxy in order to strengthen independence of Serbian state

Tsar Dušan, before he came to throne as king of all Serbs, proved himself as a very talented battle leader, who proved himself in the battle of Velbazhd, where Serbia heavily defeated the Bulgarian Empire.

The medieval Serbian state reached its apex in the mid-14th century, during the rule of Stefan Dušan, who proclaimed himself in 1345 tsar in Serres and was crowned in Skopje on the 16th April 1346 as the "Emperor of Serbs and Greeks" by the newly proclaimed Serbian Patriach Joanikie II with the help of the Bulgarian Patriarch Simeon and the Archbishop of Ohrid, Nicholas.

Serbian Empire
Serbian Empire of Tsar Dušan, 1355 A.D.

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Serbian imperial Flag

Coat of arms
Serbian Imperial Coat Of Arms

Tsar Dušan enacted Dušan's Code (Serbian: Dušanov zakonik) in 1349 and added in 1354. The Code was based on Roman-Byzantine law. The legal transplanting is notable with the articles 171 and 172 of Dušan's Code, which regulated the juridical independence. They were taken from the Byzantine code Basilika (book VII, 1, 16-17). The Code had its roots in the first Serbian constitution — St. Sava's Nomocanon (Serbian: Zakonopravilo). from 1219, enacted by Saint Sava. This legal act was well developed. St. Sava's Nomocanon was the compilation of Civil law, based on Roman Law and Canon law, based on Ecumenical Councils and its basic purpose was to organize functioning of the young Serbian kingdom and the Serbian church. The Serbian Empire flourished, becominging one of the most developed countries and cultures in Europe.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA - Servia
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13732a.htm

For a time indeed the Grand Zupan Michael (1050-80) was able to maintain his independence; he even received the title of king from Pope Gregory VII. In the twelfth century the family of the Nemanyich, to whom the union of the Serbs is due, became prominent in Servian history. Urosch, who was Zupan of Rassa from about 1120, entered into friendly relations with the Hungarian king, Bela II.

Stephen I, Nemanja, who was a Catholic, maintained amicable relations with the popes in ecelesiastico-political affairs, especially with Pope Innocent III. He received the latter's legates and letters in a friendly manner and repeatedly assured the pope of his attachment. His brother Vlkan, as lord of Antivari and Cattaro, was also closely connected with the Catholic Church. Nevertheless, the Greek Orthodoxy Church grew constantly stronger in the eastern part of the country,...

After the fall of the Latin Empire the relations between the papacy and Servia grew gradually less intimate; although married to a Catholic Frenchwoman, Helena, Stephen Urosch permitted both his sons to be brought up in the Greek Orthodox religion.



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 May 29, 10, 18:49    #32
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Interesting post and links, thanks Crow.
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 Jun 1, 10, 02:24    #33
one question used to intrigues me from long time ago. It is question of `wings` that were used by Serbian Gusar Winged cavalry. As i can remind myself, cavalry `wings` are something that has its deepest roots in Serbian verbal tradition, in our epic poetry, in history.

By the research work of Polish Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska, she precisely state that `The wings were of Serbian origin...`

here it is >>>
By the 17th century, Polish hussars were held in even higher esteem and they made their own style of dress. The wings were of Serbian origin too. It was thought the wings were made to defend the backs of the men against swords and lassos, but modern theory is that they were used as intimidation. The noise and appearance of the feathers in the wind would spook the enemy's horses. The wings were mounted on a brass-edged wooden frame. The feathers were inserted into this frame, which was mounted on brackets or hinges (see illustration above). The wooden poles were arched at the top.

previously, she already concluded that `The hussar concept began in Serbia` and she directly point on central Serbian land RAS- our ancient core of statehood and spirituality as the main source of `Winged cavalry` tradition. Here is exactly what she said >>>
The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.

In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras.

Researched and Written by Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska, B.F.A.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html

This is very important. Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska in her work came to the RAS.

In my belief and not only mine but also in belief of some Slavic autohtonistic theories and some other scientific theories, term and region around RAS isn`t only source of Serbian/Slavic `Winged cavalry` tradition but, being on Balkan, source of even our (Slavic in general) ethnic origin, our first foothold on European soil.


See, when i first time established connection between Serbian cavalry tradition and fact that core of that tradition coming from central Serbian land RAS (also, Rashka) i was fascinated, things automatically became clear to me. Only long and continual tradition, deep connection to the land and environment was able to produce cavalry `that was best in the world`.

Spot now how early Byzantine chronicles speaks of Serbs >>>

Thomas A. Emmert. Serbian Golgotha, Kosovo, 1389, New York, 1990. [selections, translated texts relating to the "Kosovo Legend."]
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~fisher/bosnia/readings/Emmert1.html

pp. 93-95: From the second half of the fifteenth century, Ducas, in his History of the Byzantines, shows a warm emphathy for the Serbs:

In that same year Orkhan, the ruler of the Turks, died bequeathing his dominion to his son Murad who, having become the master of the Thracian cities, besieged Adrianople and took possession of all of Thessaly with the exception of Thessaloniki. Since he now held practically all the lands of the Romans, he advanced to the Triballi [Serbs]. He destroyed many of their fortresses and towns and took their inhabitants captive; he then transported them to the Asiatic shore over the straits of the Chersonese. When Lazar, the son of Stefan, kral of Serbia, and himself kral of Serbia at that time, beheld these things, he assembled all his forces and joined battle with the tyrant; many fell on both sides. There took place afterwards an incredibly novel stratagem. A young Serb nobleman, who was more daring than any other man of his time, separated himself from the Christian phalanx, as though he were deserting, and fell into the midst of the Turkish ranks. When the Turks immediately laid hands on him, he called out the ruler's name, saying, 'I wish to see him and tell him something secretly so that he can win this battle; this is the reason I have deserted.' They presented him to the ruler. As Murad motioned with his hand for the youth to approach, he rushed forward and, when near enough, mortally wounded Murad by plunging a sword into his heart; he then was hacked to pieces by Murad's axe-bearers and bodyguards.

So, Byzantine chroniclers used to designate Serbs as Triballi meaning Thracians considering that Triballi were main Thracian tribe.

Now, somebody would maybe say that it isn`t possible that Serbs could be Triballi and Slavs in the same time. That would necessarily lead to conclusion that Thracians were Slavs (Proto Slavs) and that would undermine `theories` of late Slavic arrival into Europe.

Well, those `theories` of late Slavic arrival in Europe are already started to be considered as ridiculous >>>

(e) The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b)

Paleolithic Continuity Theory (PCT), by Italian scientist Mario Alinei
http://www.continuitas.com/intro.html

All this becoming even more interesting if we are aware that Thracians, same as their kin ethnic Dacians were actually Scythians/Sarmatians.

What i want to tell you,... is it possible that all the time, when we speak of famous Sarmatian cavalry that was often in Roman service, we speak of legendary Thracian horseman, actually about Serbian Gusar light cavalry from Ras and that all that lead us to the Polish Winged Hussars?

still, many opened questions but, here is what we can say for sure:

1. we have historical sources that suggests that Sarmatians, Scythians, Thracians, Dacians, etc... all were ethnically related and kin ethoses;
2. we have historical chronicles that designate Balkan Serbs (also known as Ras people, Racowie in Poland) as Triballi/Thracians;
3. we have scientific theories that suggests that Sarmatian name was once universal ethnic designation for all the Slavs;
4. we have linguistic theories that suggests that Sarmatian name represent just form of Serbian ethnic name (Serbs from Balkan and Lusatia) which went thru Greek and Roman transcription (meaning that represent foreign version of Serbian name);
5. from numerous historical data and theories we know that Sarmatians, Dacians, Thracians,... all expanded from Balkan;
6. we all heard for Polish Sarmatism and that Poles believe in their Sarmatian origin;
7. we know that Balkan Serbs still hold Balkan and believe in their Slaveno-Ras-Sarmatian-Celtic tradition;
8. there are linguistic theories that speaks of THRACIAN name as of foreign form for RAS/RASHAN ethnic name;
9. we have scientific theories that state that Sarmatians (meaning- Scythians, Thracians, Dacians, too) were Proto-Slavs;

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 Jun 4, 10, 19:39    #34
I saw many Polish riders go by,
They had wings but couldn't fly,
The Poles carry long lances,
A short pennant thereon,
They might instead use a cowtail.
It costs not much and serves just as well.


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Edited by: Crow  Jun 9, 10, 01:47    #35
some quotes about Serbia and Serbs:

The Austro-Hungarian Empire went into the war quite seriously under-prepared and without anything like a good enough fighting force for what was to unfold. They essentially fell out big-time with Serbia after a Serb militant group murdered the heir to their throne, Franz Ferdinand, in July 1914. Wishing to try and head off a Serbian revolt at the pass, the Empire, bolstered by a friendship with more powerful Germany, gave the Serbs an ultimatum. The Serbs agreed to 9.5 of the 10 points but the Empire declared war anyway. Bad move, because the Russians waded in on the side of Serbia and went on over the coming years to kick the stuffing out of the Empire to the point that it all went tits-up in about 1916. In fact, the losses on both sides in that year contributed not only to the end of the A-H Empire but also gave fuel to the Russian Revolution the following year and the distancing of Germany from A-H, feeling by then that it was “shackled to a corpse”. Anyway, this whole mess took the A-H Empire well and truly out of the way of Polish Independence.

Święto Niepodległości (Independence Day)
http://scatts.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/independence-day-2/
The hawks in Austria-Hungary had an ally in Germany's supreme army commander, von Moltke, who wrote his Austrian counterpart that a war between "Germandom" (which included German Austrians) and "Slavdom" (the Russians and Serbs) was inevitable.

The Slide to War from 1911 to 1914
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch04-2.htm
For days people in Vienna paraded, carrying flags and portraits of Franz Joseph and singing patriotic songs. People chanted "God protect our king, our land!" And people chanted "death to Serbs" and "Serb dogs must die!" The archbishop of Vienna, Cardinal Piffl, gave voice to what many saw as a holy crusade. He proclaimed that it was the voice of God that spoke through the roar of Austria-Hungary's guns. He called on his flock to go forward in happiness and in confidence to attack the enemies of God.

Into the Abyss
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch04-4.htm
Pope Pius X took a different approach. The ambassador from Austria asked him to bless the Habsburg armies, and the Pope refused saying he blessed peace.

The Rush to War
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch04-4.htm
Why four great powers should fight over Serbia no fellow can understand.

John Burns, diary entry (27th July 1914)
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnburns262262.html
In effect, I was asking that if Russia mobilized against Austria, the German Government, who had been supporting the Austrian demand on Serbia, should ask Austria to consider some modification of her demands, under the threat of Russian mobilization.

Edward Grey, before start of WWI
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edwardgrey298963.html
I had furthermore spoken on the assumption that Russia would mobilize, whereas the assumption of the German Government had hitherto been, officially, that Serbia would receive no support; and what I had said must influence the German Government to take the matter seriously.

Edward Grey, before start of WWI
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edwardgrey298957.html
"Exactly at three o'clock, the enemy is due to be crushed by your fierce charge, destroyed by your grenades and bayonets. The honor of Belgrade, our capital, must not be stained. Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer need worry about your lives: they no longer exist. So, forward to glory! For King and Country! Long live King, Long live Belgrade!"

Major of Serbian army Dragutin Gavrilovic, to defenders of Belgrade in First World War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Gavrilovi%C4%87
Serbia and Poland shared the day at the Altar of Liberty in Madison Square yesterday. The flag of Serbia was raised on the altar at noon and the celebration for Poland took place in the afternoon.

POLES AND SERBS AT ALTAR.; Demand Voiced for Freedom of Oppressed Nations - The New York Times, Oct 18, 1918, Friday - Page 15, 766 words
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B01E4DB1539E13ABC4052D FB6678383609EDE
When in 1941 Yugoslavia signed a pact with Hitler, General Mirkovich, on March 27, 1941, unseated the government abrogated the pact, and brought Yugoslavia in on the side of the Allies. The importance of the move was tremendous, and directly affected the course of the Second World War. That this was so was proved at the Nuremberg trials. "It became crystal clear that ... the decision of 27 March 1941 to chose certain destruction of their homes and country by Hitler, rather than the dishonor of being his accomplices, had a decisive effect upon history."
Hitler's war-plan was totally upset. "Hitler reacted immediately. He at once summoned a meeting of his generals and the commanders of his satellites. In his secret report of this meeting, held on that same day, he underlined that 'the beginning of the Barbarossa operation will have to be postponed for up to four weeks."' (Barbarossa was the code name for the attack against Russia.) The four weeks' delay forced upon Hitler by General Mirkovich was decisive for the whole war, according to Karl Ritter, German Foreign Office Liaison Officer with the Nazi High Command. "This delay," he stated, "cost the Germans the winter battle before Moscow, and it was there that the war was lost." (Quoted by Anthony Eden, British Foreign Minister, later Lord Avon, in his Memoirs.) Winston Churchill that same morning told the British people: "I have great news. Early this morning the Yugoslav nation found its soul."(Vatican Billions, pp. 144-145).

SERBS COST HITLER WW II
http://www.reformation.org/serbs.html
Following agreements with Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria that they would join the Axis, Hitler put pressure on Yugoslavia to join the Tripartite Pact. The Regent, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia, succumbed to this pressure on March 25, 1941. However, this move was deeply unpopular amongst the anti-Axis Serbian public and military. A coup d'etat was launched on March 27, 1941 by anti-Prince Paul, Serbian military officers, and the Regent was replaced on the throne by King Peter II of Yugoslavia.

Upon hearing news of the coup in Yugoslavia, Hitler called upon his military advisers to Berlin on March 27. Hitler was so angered that he was determined "without waiting for possible declarations of loyalty of the new government to destroy Yugoslavia militarily and as a nation.", despite the apparent readiness of the new Yugoslav rulers to maintain Yugoslavia's involvement in the Tripartite Pact.

Hitler, infuriated at Yugoslavia's defiance, ordered the implementation of Operation Punishment (Unternehmen Strafgericht). At 7 am on 6 April the Luftwaffe opened the assault on Yugoslavia by conducting a saturation-type bombing raid on the capital. Flying in relays from airfields in Austria and Romania, 300 aircraft, of which a quarter were Junkers Ju 87 Stukas, protected by a heavy fighter escort began the attack.

Invasion of Yugoslavia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Yugoslavia
Prince Czartoryski's intention was to make conditions for the establishment of independent Poland by using the Eastern question. Assuming that Russia and Austria intended to divide the Balkans between themselves in the near future, as they had done with Poland (only now without Prussia which had no direct interests in the East), Czartoryski and his associates made a project of a vast Southern Slav state that should be created around Serbia, and lean on France and Great Britain in its foreign policy.

Ilija Garasanin's "Nacertanije", A REASSESSEMENT, Institute for Balkan Studies, Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences, Belgrade, Dusan T. Batakovic
http://www.rastko.rs/istorija/batakovic/batakovic-nacertanije_eng.html
Hardly is there a nation which has met with a sadder fate than the Servians. From the height of its splendor, when the empire embraced almost the entire northern part of the Balkan peninsula and a large portion of what is now Austria, the Servian nation was plunged into abject slavery, after the fateful battle of 1389 at the Kosovo Polje, against the overwhelming Asian hordes. Europe can never repay the great debt it owes to the Servians for checking, by the sacrifice of its own liberty, that barbarian influx.

by Nikola Tesla - Wizard, The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla, Biography of a Genius
By Marc J. Seifer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/lifean dtimesofnikolatesla.htm
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 Jun 9, 10, 07:44    #36
I firmly believe Austrohungary underestimated serbian will for resistance.They thought it would be another piece of cake ready to accept the proven model of Austrian hegemony on Slavic folks.
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 Jul 3, 10, 14:55    #37
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 Jul 3, 10, 15:03    #38
So bad that they managed to stop their country from being removed from the map for hundreds of years. Oh, no, sorry, they didn't manage that, did they?
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 Jul 3, 10, 15:11    #39
Damn, what a depressingly emotive and over-excited article. It was written by an American, wasn't it? You can tell by the sheer amount of romanticized crap.
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 Jul 3, 10, 15:18    #40
Matowy:
Damn, what a depressingly emotive and over-excited article. It was written by an American, wasn't it? You can tell by the sheer amount of romanticized crap.


Well - that is what makes this website so funny.

Here complete list of badasses.
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 Jul 3, 10, 15:22    #41
Ah, it's a satirical website. My initial reply was then a bit unnecessarily emotive.
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 Jul 3, 10, 15:48    #42
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Somethimes I really dont undarstand the reason behind the mod's actions.
I didn't wrote anything about Serbs, Balkans and former Yugoslavia.
Mistery, really.
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 Jul 3, 10, 22:35    #43
Matowy:
Damn, what a depressingly emotive and over-excited article. It was written by an American, wasn't it? You can tell by the sheer amount of romanticized crap.

You're depressingly moronic anti-Polish piece of sh*t, btw the article is all true, Gdańsk army was historically pasted into bloody jelly since Poles charged riding over the corpses multiple timess and thats the feature of the battle that most chronicles recall.

The article is pretty good.
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 Jul 5, 10, 07:19    #44
Who would have thought our Turk smashing Husaria could also help you smash your business opposition? Interested?

http://www.qualitydigest.com/inside/six-sigma-article/thinking-lean-17 th-century-poland
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 Jul 7, 10, 19:25    #45
Ozi Dan:
Who would have thought our Turk smashing Husaria could also help you smash your business opposition? Interested?

Well... It's quite interesting but far fetched if may I say.
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 Dec 15, 11, 00:49    #46
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Hi All! You may be interested in our acclaimed new film PATH TO GLORY: The Rise & Rise of the Polish Arabian Horse, in which we cover amp.g other things the Battle of Vienna and Hussars, the influx if horses from the Ottoman empire etc. We did film a Hussars who appears in the film-- the armor is amazing and would be intimidating in battle to say the least! You can check it out at pathtogloryfilm.com


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