Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin -- all of them lied about Katyn

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Jul 21, 11, 01:45 #31

isthatu2:

Was it right for Churchill during the war to cover up a Soviet crime and blame it on the Nazis? Yes,your darn tooting it was the right decision at the time. The Red Army numbered how many 10s of million more men than the Polish forces in the west?
To quote Churchill, on Stalin "if Hitler had invaded Hell, he would at least have made 'a favourable reference to the Devil ". It was politic,nothing more. Poles are far too "romantic" about these things.

Was it right ? It would be right if they would have had planing to attack and finish Soviets, after victory over Hitler.
However they decided against a such action that would had freed half of the Europe from Soviet sway.
That is not only immoral but plainly wrong - and that is the reason that Poles were and are talking about British treason.
By right they should talk also about the U.S. coldness and assiness.
Two wrongs doesn't make it right or so they say.
Nothing romantic about that.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 21, 11, 10:04 #32
Ironside It would be right if they would have had planing to attack and finish Soviets, after victory over Hitler. You mean the exact same plan which the British drew up. And which the Americans refused to take part in. Good to know that you can now no longer whine about the British 'betrayal'.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jul 21, 11, 16:28 #33
Harry And which the Americans refused to take part in. yeah, blame that on others Harry, it is typical for you whining and then blame somebody else - mammy boy. Nevertheless that doesn't change the fact that Churchill and Roosevelt were lying ******.

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Jul 21, 11, 16:35 #34

Ironside

yeah, blame that on others Harry, it is typical for you whining and then blame somebody else - mammy boy.

Yawn, how surprising to see you going back on what you said as soon as it is pointed out to you that the reality of the situation was exactly as you said it was not.

You were asked five days ago to provide details of the prosecutions you claimed Roosevelt and Churchill ordered against those who dared question the official version. You have completely failed to do so. Should we conclude that you are in fact simply lying (yet again) when you claimed that they ordered such?

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Edited by: Moderator Jul 22, 11, 18:21 #35

You were asked five days ago to provide details of the prosecutions you claimed Roosevelt and Churchill ordered against those who dared question the official version. You have completely failed to do so. Should we conclude that you are in fact simply lying (yet again) when you claimed that they ordered such?

You are a liar and are supporting bigger liars.

http://hnn.us/articles/5136.html

No one who was not alive and aware in the United States during the war can imagine the deference to the Soviet Union and its war effort exhibited by Franklin D. Roosevelt's war-time administration and the American media. For example, not only did the Office of War Information blame the Katyn executions on the German army;quote]
[quote]Probably, the worst directly effective consequence of the refusal to publicize the truth about Katyn was Franklin D. Roosevelt's accommodation of Stalin's post-war imperialistic aims at the Teheran Conference, held in fall 1943.

http://andrzejwajda.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-evidence-on-katyn-f orest -massacre.html

President Roosevelt had heard from Winston Churchill the truth about Katyn. Churchill shared with Roosevelt the information he had received on the Soviet responsibility for the murders. However, when Roosevelt heard from his own representative, George Earle, former governor of Pennsylvania, that he had information that the Soviets had committed the crime, he refused to listen.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 22, 11, 18:24 #36
You are a liar and are supporting bigger liars. He said "prosecutions", not "political pressure".

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Edited by: czar Jul 24, 11, 00:06 #37

CIA library;

The ranking officer was Col. John H. Van Vliet, a fourth-generation West Pointer. After returning to Washington in 1945, he wrote a report concluding that the Soviets, not the Germans, were responsible. He gave the report to Maj. Gen. Clayton Bissell, Gen. George Marshall's assistant chief of staff for intelligence, who deep-sixed it. Years later, Bissell defended his action before Congress, contending that it was not in the US interest to embarrass an ally whose forces were still needed to defeat Japan.

In September 1951, the House of Representatives appointed a select committee to hold hearings. It was chaired by Rep. Ray J. Madden and was popularly known as the Madden Committee. Although not without political or propaganda overtones, the hearings were the most comprehensive effort to date to gather facts and establish responsibility. 10 The committee heard 81 witnesses, examined 183 exhibits, and took more than 100 depositions. The hearings gave Democrats a chance to deflect charges of having "betrayed" Poland and "lost" China at Yalta and offered Republicans an opportunity to court voters of Polish and other East European ancestry who traditionally favored Democrats

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Mar 30, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 11, 07:32 #38
^^ Makes total sense America of course would not bring the Katyn massacre to the public's knowledge during World War Two. Plus little could be done following the War. Roosevelt was dead and Churchill lost the 1945 election. Poland was never that important to British or American foreign policy following the war.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 11, 17:25 #39
Poland was never that important to British or American foreign policy following the war. you mean that that part of Europe was never important for their co called policy!

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Aug 5, 11, 00:55 #40

All of them choose to lie about Katyn.
I can understand Stalin,, but nobody forced Roosevelt and Churchill to actively suppress the truth about Katyn. They lied to their nation and they used the police and secret services of both countries to prosecute those who dared question the official version - that Katyn massacre was a German crime.

Their interests of all them, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stain, were on the same side then. They had created Hitler (like bin Laden of today) to do somethings first, and to throw their dirts that would be produced by their plans to him, Hitler. Later, Hitler realizing their this plan started to attack around. At the end, initial plan of those three above worked anyway, however, costed millions of people killed. During those days, it wasn't important who killed Poles in Katyn. Partners wouldn't be changing their initial plan for some tousands of Poles. After the war, when cold war started, Poland was given to Soviets anyway. What could bring Soviets, Britain and USA of those days? National socialism of Germany was a bigger threat than international socialism of Soviets? History we have been told is full of lies.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Nov 26, 11, 15:47 #41
delphiandomine: He said "prosecutions", not "political pressure". If you are threatened with consequences from a governmental circles - I would call it prosecution, you can call it suggestion.

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May 5, 12, 18:46 #42

Even before Hitler, in the first world war, Britain and America would lie about and demonize their enemy
In the first world war, the "evil Hun" where accused of cutting off babies hands and having corpse factories where they would melt people down into soap, both since proven to be lies, but it achieved its purpose, to get gullible young men to sacrifice their lives for the plans of the ruling bankers.

Apply the same historical lessons to Brittan and America to day, when you hear of how evil all these Islamic countries are, and that they are all ruled by evil dictators who must be destroyed so we can bring them "Western Democracy", ask yourselves a few questions, do a bit of digging, find out if the same policies of 60 years ago are not still being used today to get political backing for banking imperialism.

p3undoneThreads: 10 Posts: 345 Joined: Jan 12, 12 ♂ [Moderator]	May 5, 12, 19:54 #43
They definitely lied.

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May 5, 12, 21:06 #44

Peter Rossa:

Even before Hitler, in the first world war, Britain and America would lie about and demonize their enemy
In the first world war, the "evil Hun" where accused of cutting off babies hands

Much more such propaganda came from the German side.

Peter Rossa:

having corpse factories where they would melt people down into soap

We had to wait until the second war for that to come true. Grimly prophetic, and the 'propaganda' wasn't far off the mark. The Germans were certainly capable of it.

Peter Rossa:

when you hear of how evil all these Islamic countries are, and that they are all ruled by evil dictators who must be destroyed

What news sources are you listening to? "all these Islamic countries", "all ruled"??

In the case of Katyń there was an official denial for years - however there is clear forensic evidence of what happened.

p3undoneThreads: 10 Posts: 345 Joined: Jan 12, 12 ♂ [Moderator]	May 6, 12, 04:14 #45
Roosevelt and Churchill lied because Stalin was a tough sell,Had Katyn came to light There would have been an uproar from both the British and American people.Just like Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to be attacked.Back then the people still had a strong say as to what they would allow there leaders to do.Denying Katyn was despicable.

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