Sabaton 40-1. Poland WW2 (updated with: Uprising)

Monia

Jul 8, 11, 19:48 #31

Wizna defense took place on 7-10 September 1939 in the area Wizna east of Lomza , Poland .

This battle, referred to as the Polish Thermopylae , despite the serious imbalance between the forces of Polish defenders under the command of Captain Wladyslaw Raginis and the forces of German Gen. Heinz Guderian was one of the most heroic but least known episodes and World War II

In 1939, around Wizna there was one of the points-based Polish defense line of the river Narew.
Formed a point of resistance Wizna unfinished (modernized) from the spring of 1939 a line of fortifications, extending over several kilometers and forming part of the permanent fortifications in the section Wizna

Shelters, which consisted of a defensive line Wizna include solutions typical of the interwar Polish fortifications, each of the shelters (except light field fortifications) was individually designed and adapted to the terrain, the requirements of a section of the defense, etc. The shelters were in Wizna one story objects reinforced concrete, suitable for side-firing with heavy machine guns, equipped with armored dome to keep the leading fire and observation.

As you can read - it was not made of mud and bags , lol

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Moderator Jul 8, 11, 21:38 #32
Monia: As you can read - it was not made of mud and bags , lol And as you clearly can not: the Polish defenders at Wizna were in concrete bunkers, took on attackers at odds of 40 to 1 and lost; the defenders at Rourke's Drift were behind walls made of mud and piled up bags of seed, they took on attackers at odds of 50 to 1 and won.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Jul 9, 11, 00:42 #33

To be fair harry....................WTF?????
Rorkes drift,possibly 3 thousand old men and reservists from Chetswayos army,only armed with asagai's and clubs with a small handfull of 60 year old muskets( unlike in the film,the real Zulus at rorkes drift had been nowhere near ishlwandlana and did not have any captured Martini Henry's...) harrassed and attacked a fixed defensive position that was supported by a troop of cavalry (again,not in the film...) manned by over 100 well armed riflemen.....hardly comparable to having even a weak a**ed 1939 Wermacht division or two assaulting you with armour and heavy arty is it?
BTW......40 to one is balls.....that would only be true if every single soldier in the german forces fought.........it is unlikely that even a third of that force were combat soldiers.......
Oh,and erm,didnt the Spartans deaths kinda lead to victory in the war?

Monia

Jul 9, 11, 10:12 #34

Without diminishing the role of that battle, it's probably a joke to compare the two battles

are you comparing this warriors with German army with such armament like :

Polish forces Defence "Wizna":

about 20 officers and 700 privates,
and 6 guns of 76 mm, 24 CKM, 18 RKM
2 antitank guns

German Armeekorps:

Three divisions, one brigade,
about 42 thousand. soldiers,
350 tanks,
657 mortars, cannons and mortars, [b]air support for the Luftwaffe[/b]

Zulu warrior

Monia

Jul 9, 11, 10:25 #35

isthatu2:

Oh,and erm,didnt the Spartans deaths kinda lead to victory in the war?

We Poles, are very sorry to you, British people, and the whole Europe, that we did not win the war in 1939 against the German army, but unfortunately no one did not deign to help us. The German army forces and equipment, unfortunately, exceeded the Polish forces and armament .

Hitler was preparing his army to invade Poland for few years, Poland, unfortunately, not . When it was known that Hitler would attack Poland in the first place, there was no time to build an army in such a short time.

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Jul 9, 11, 12:56 #36

isthatu2:

a small handfull of 60 year old muskets

Several thousand is a small handful? You must have very big hands.

isthatu2:

3 thousand old men and reservists

Funny how you forget about the other thousands of unmarried men.

isthatu2:

by a troop of cavalry

Natal Native Horse were cavalry? Perhaps you'd like to consult a dictionary. And could it be that they were not in the film because they rode off before the battle started?

Monia:

The German army forces and equipment, unfortunately, exceeded the Polish forces and armament .

Then perhaps your leaders shouldn't have been boasting about how much Poland wanted war?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 9, 11, 12:59 #37
Monia: The German army forces and equipment, unfortunately, exceeded the Polish forces and armament . The Nazi forces and their then allies, the Soviet Union, to be more accurate.

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Edited by: isthatu2 Jul 9, 11, 14:37 #38

Monia:

Without diminishing the role of that battle, it's probably a joke to compare the two battles

We have found concord at last on a subject M' :)
Both Heroic actions,hardly comparable.....
lets even forget that Rorkes Drift was attacked because we noble British had renaged on a treaty with the Zulus and invaded their country........

Harry:

And could it be that they were not in the film because they rode off before the battle started?

Harry:

Several thousand is a small handful?

Im not going to call you a liar,simply,ill informed.

Harry:

Funny how you forget about the other thousands of unmarried men.

No where near Rorkes drift.

Harry:

Natal Native Horse were cavalry?

er..............you may argue semantics here,but, a Zulu just saw an enemy on a horse who could out run him.....

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Jul 9, 11, 15:01 #39

isthatu2:

Im not going to call you a liar,simply,ill informed.

To quote Ian Knight:
""In fact, powerful though the image of a 'warrior nation' armed only with spears is, the truth - as usual - was far more complex. The Zulu army was already in possession of many thousands of firearms before the Anglo-Zulu War began. These had been obtained from white traders. Most were weapons which were 20 or 30 years old - long since obsolete in European armies - and they were often in poor repair."
http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/myths/myths.htm

isthatu2:

you may argue semantics here,but, a Zulu just saw an enemy on a horse who could out run him.....

Yes, they could outrun Zulus, a fact shown by them outrunning the Zulus when they headed away from Rourke's Drift before the battle started.

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Edited by: Moderator Jul 9, 11, 18:23 #40

Harry:

they could outrun Zulus, a fact shown by them outrunning the Zulus when they headed away from Rourke's Drift before the battle started

Yes harry,blah blah,the film was good,but its not a documentry.......the Zulus ran when the mounted troops from the main column arrived...........they didnt bugger off after 3 verses of men of harlech......

Harry:

To quote Ian Knight:
""In fact, powerful though the image of a 'warrior nation' armed only with spears is, the truth - as usual - was far more complex. The Zulu army was already in possession of many thousands of firearms before the Anglo-Zulu War began. These had been obtained from white traders. Most were weapons which were 20 or 30 years old - long since obsolete in European armies - and they were often in poor repair

Yes, I always quote from the first page I find on bing too...............
read the rest of it,or another few sources and you will find that Ian Knight was talking about the entire Zulu army, not the small force that attacked rorkes drift.
Reading further on that same page it also states that the few Zulus armed with obsolete muzzle loading rifles did not know how to use them,many simply did not fire and,from other sources,were often more of a status symbol than something actually used in battle. Again,twist what you like, but ask yourself this,why am I a Briton dismissing you an Australians' account of a British battle,for what purpose?

please stay on topic

OgorkiThreads: - Posts: 131 Joined: Aug 4, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Aug 2, 11, 23:52 #41
Harry:Then perhaps your leaders shouldn't have been boasting about how much Poland wanted war? You just blurt out crap without any reference. They boasted about how they could stand up to Hitler and were not affraid of his attack. no personal comments. thank you

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