Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland?

Is Holocaust denial illegal in Poland?

He told the Daily Mail that his tour party was for “real history buffs”, and that it was the Polish authorities who had turned the Auschwitz Nazi death camp site into a “Disney-style” tourist trap and a “money making machine”. Irving went on to accuse Polish authorities of neglecting other less “marketable,” more authentic death camps, which “don’t have a Holiday Inn down the road,” in favor of Auschwitz.

Erm....a holocaust denier in Auschwitz??? Isn't that a good thing?

Except that he's not exactly a denier. Revisionist, like. Numbers, methods, policies.

He is a denier in part as he sought to dispel the gas component. I watched one of his presentations and he was very clear about the lack of traces present.

He was unequivocally stating that the gassing element was fabricated, thus denying a crucial element of the Holocaust.

It doesn't make him a 'Holocaust denier'. He is contesting details, not the fact as such.

He is contesting the fact that there was a systematic plan to annihilate certain groups of people.

there is nothing inherently bad about revisionism.

He gives arguments. Counter-arguments are non-existent, to my knowledge.

Yes there is.

It doesn't make him a 'Holocaust denier'. He is contesting details, not the fact as such.

Only if the corrections are correct of course but that is the duty of the scientists and historians.

And what do you think of this guys "facts"?

If new facts are found the sight of events needs to be revised...revisionism is actually needed and happens everywhere all the time..nothing inherently bad about it!

Only if the corrections are correct of course

that is the duty of the scientists and historians

Over here when we hear the term "history revisionism" we generally see it as an intentional distorting of history.

Bratwurst Boy:
there is nothing inherently bad about revisionism.

Yes there is.



Can't this guy find a job doing something else?
Clearly some despicable folks want to revise history to their twisted narrative and feed it to others... Ugly stuff.

Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized. "

either the new facts and theories are faulty or not is a matter of discussion...but revisionism is neutral.

I think we need to closely examine this guy's motives.
For having a holocaust denier running history tours of Auschwitz is like having a KKK dude giving

He can hardly deny the Holocaust if he actually walks the ways of the victims there...

I think we need to closely examine this guy's motives.

See the definition of Holocaust denial. Methods and extent.

Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.

I don't know much about him and his facts actually

Saying that revisionism is a good thing when not knowing in what context you are talking about is silly.

"Irving has expressed racist and antisemitic sentiments, both publicly and privately. Irving has often expressed his belief in the theory of a sinister Jewish conspiracy ruling the world, and that the belief in the reality of Holocaust was manufactured as part of the same alleged conspiracy.[64] Irving uses the label "traditional enemies of the truth" to describe Jews, and in a 1963 article about a speech by Sir Oswald Mosley wrote that "Yellow Star did not make a showing".[64] In 1992, Irving stated that "...the Jews are very foolish not to abandon the gas chamber theory while they still have time" and claimed he "foresees a new wave of antisemitism" the world over due to Jewish "exploitation of the Holocaust myth".[76] During an interview with the American writer Ron Rosenbaum, Irving stated his belief that Jews were his "traditional enemy" etc... Wiki

“ Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence; that for the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, principally in relation to his attitude towards and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews; that he is an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism.

his motives may stay a mystery to us

I don't like that most people raise automatically their eyebrows if they hear only the word "revisionism" or that labeling someone "revisionist" is meant to be something bad, something despicable.

Without revisionism there would never have been any progress in any science at all...yes also in history!

Cripes. They may as well hire Ahmadinejad to give the tours... :s