Should Russia be casting stones while hiding Soviet crimes?

Don't reinterpret WW2, Russia tells neighbors
Tue Jan 27, 2009
By Oleg Shchedrov

ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - President Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia should resist attempts by some of its ex-Soviet neighbors to "falsify" the history of World War Two by underplaying Moscow's role in defeating Hitler.

"We should be tougher in defending our positions, to tell our partners the whole truth about falsifications of history, glorifying Nazi criminals in neighboring states," he told a meeting with government officials and public figures.

Tell history that they are the innocent ones and that they never id any thing bad!!

"We see distortions of the truth about the war, about the decisive contribution by the Red Army to the defeat of the Nazism and the liberation of Europe," Medvedev said. "Our task is to oppose such falsifications in every way."

the decisive contribution by the Red Army to the defeat of the Nazism

"We see distortions of the truth about the war, about the decisive contribution by the Red Army to the defeat of the Nazism and the liberation of Europe," Medvedev said. "Our task is to oppose such falsifications in every way."

This part is unquestionably true:

We see distortions of the truth about the war

Because who can argue that without the courage and huge sacrifice of the ordinary Red Army soldier Nazism would not have been defeated; but let's also not forget that Pierwsza Armia Wojska Polskiego (Polish 1st Army) battled alongside the Red Army and played a vital role in the battle for Berlin.

The west chose to forget the sacrifice of the Red Army after WWII

Should Russia be casting stones while hiding Soviet crimes?

like calling the kettle black

That's even funnier than the title, considering US foreign policy over the past eight years.lol

At least there's accountability with the USA. It is sad that you can find such humor in the deaths of so many. Would you laugh at babies burial also?

You never know what's actually worse: one's death or one's ignorance which may cause death of 1000s.

The 1940 Katyń Forest Massacre was a mass murder of thousands Polish military officers, policemen, intellectuals, and civilian Prisoners of War by Soviet NKVD. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000. The victims were murdered in the Katyń forest in Russia, Kalinin (Tver) and Kharkiv prisons; Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Ostashkov POW camps; in Smolensk, Kharkiv, Moscow, and other Soviet cities. In 1943, Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves within the Katyń Forest, and it was not until 1990 that the Soviet Union acknowledged the massacres by the NKVD.

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sjam:
This part is unquestionably true:

I feel this depends on how we define "liberation of Europe". What took place at the end of the war "Soviet's" and "Nazi's" started, was "Soviet's" did not liberate Poland, instead they "occupied" Poland. Unless we "liberate" by killing and lying I cannot see this,

This part is unquestionably true:

the decisive contribution by the Red Army to the defeat of the Nazism

This explains lot of the "historical conflict" we see today. Russia is one country (amongst others) that tends to have nationalistic presentation of history, even so, the lionshare of the bloodsacrifice was given in the East.

Did you say you wanted to buy a shirt? "Katyn Remembered"

Russia is KGB regime looking to regain its power.

If someody thought that they are going admit their crimes ... was very wrong.

Hey... what's wrong? :) Bad mood, quit Russian classes? :))

Of course, as long as Poland bases its foreign policy on Russia-flagellation you better forget about admition of anything. Secondly it's all about politics and Poland wouldn't make a haste taking not proven guilt upon herself as well.What I never fail to say is that there should be honest, thorough investigation of the case.

Well I know that Russian decisons are about politics.

As to WWII Russia was Hitlers ally

and murdered people like Nazis did

Don't claim that this Russians weren't ethnic Russians (what ever it means) or something like that because most Russians consider this people their national heros

At the begining Russia was Hitlers ally later durring the march Russians were murdering people they claim that they have liberated.

What a bullcrap.

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, colloquially named after Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, was an agreement officially titled the Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, signed in Moscow in the early hours of August 24, 1939, dated August 23[1], that renounced warfare between the two countries and pledged neutrality by either party if the other were attacked by a third party.

Do you claim that Nazi's and Soviet's way of murdering people was any different of that of other nations?

I don't claim anything like that. Those people are considered heroes by some group of Russian people

As to WWII Russia was Hitlers ally

What a bullcrap

Do you claim that Nazi's and Soviet's way of murdering people was any different of that of other nations? Hm... I should ponder on that.

1) happened long ago
2) are likely to be perverted and used for political purposes.

Ribbentrop and Stalin at the signing of the Pact

it is Russia where Stalin is going to be made saint.

Constantine likes Stalin

yes

So it's ok for Russia to bring up Germany, Ukraine and even Polish, just not their own crimes? If I recall the post was due to Russia pointing fingers.

I thought we were talking about the war time.

I thought we were talking about the war time. After Germans broke it any allience was out of the question. I don't know why you emphasize R-M pact or do you think it was kinda perfidy?

Honestly those rumours are not even worth publishing in the worst Russian tabloid. Good enough to be an anecdote. Nobody's gonna discuss it in Russia seriously... :)

If this was a poll in Germany and the votes cast were for Hitler do you think the people would remain silent.

You saw the poll from Russia and just how brain washed the citizens of Russia are are.

But now you're wasting your time...

So why Polish officers have been killed in 1940 ?

I have seen public opinion focuses from Russia and Stalin was 2nd on the greatest Russians (accrding to Russians)

Going back to hisotry Russia not first time have invaded Poland together with Germany. (Partitions, WWII).

Going back to ethnic purity ... if only ehnic Russians are Russians ... so Syberia is China :)

By the why I love your hat I have one just like it, they are warm as toast.

Prince:
Ribbentrop and Stalin at the signing of the Pact

I thought we were talking about the war time

Eventually he's third. Could be and I'm not gonna condemn them or any assess that. It's their choice. His personality is many-sided and I bet you know less than 5% of it.

This one is brilliant. Did you want to show me that your ethnical knowledge were as good as your historical ones?You may also post your picture right here and give me and other people once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to measure your skull. :) Then we may compare it with mine to see who is more "Aryen" if that problem worries you that much. Often it appears that pathetic half-breeds start blood-talks.

By the why I love your hat I have one just like it, they are warm as toast.

Btw it's "American Eagle" bought in the US. Looks like they're popular overseas as well.