" SOLIDARNOŚĆ " is just a word for Polish ppl ?

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Apr 1, 08, 05:29 #1

Hi everyone,

I was wondering that there are lot of Polish ppl who talks about "Solidarnośći " and being together and helping each other. For some they say it and act according to it just from the past experience they have been through and for some its just like sheep following a flock.

Is it the time, need, ppl, thinking ; which has changed or is it some other factor that changed the meaning of this word?

Any nice words, thoughts, explination are welcomed.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07 ♂	Apr 1, 08, 05:53 #2
I dont think it was just a word. I recall being very young when Solidarnosc inundated Poland. My dad was very happy - you couldn't tear him away from his Solidarnosc t shirt. I see it as a metaphor for something that Poland did for themselves that really meant something - perhaps akin to the US Bill of Rights?

JabwawThreads: 11 Posts: 53 Joined: Jan 16, 08 ♂	Apr 1, 08, 06:25 #3
Yeah, i agree with you that there was time when this word has its meaning but if we look in today context where Poland is then I must say that its disappearing day by day.

matthiasThreads: 4 Posts: 1,577 Joined: Jan 9, 08 ♂	Apr 1, 08, 11:55 #4
Jabwaw maybe it's dimishing, but that's because their isn't a common enemy to unite us. However it will always be there engrained in the Polish culture, if a common enemy arises then so will Solidarnosc.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 12:15 #5
It is the same sort of thing as the old Russian word 'pjeristrojka' from a couple of years ago.

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER ♀	Apr 2, 08, 13:10 #6
Michal: pjeristrojka you mean perestroika? wasnt that late 80s/early 90s? thats not exactly couple of years ago is it.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 13:19 #7
Someone get the nurse - he's out of bed and playing with the computer again! We always knew it as Solidarity when it was reported in the UK.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 15:26 #8
Michal: It is the same sort of thing as the old Russian word 'pjeristrojka' from a couple of years ago. I see. So in Russia they wanted to get rid of Russians too? How did that go?

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 15:44 #9
So eceonomic restructuring in the USSR was the same thing as a trade union in Poland? Maybe I just don't understand these things because with age comes wisdom. Eh Michal? Unfortunately, so does senility.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Apr 2, 08, 15:55 #10
Jabwaw: SOLIDARNOŚĆ " is just a word for Polish ppl ? It could be used now to mean "The Beginning"

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: Michal Apr 3, 08, 08:34 #11
JustysiaS: ou mean perestroika? The Russian word is pjerjestroika but the stress falls on the final dipthong so we get peristroika but the spelling is now incorrect.

Shawn_H

Edited by: Shawn_H Apr 3, 08, 08:40 #12

Those clowns at the CIA Wrote:The White House was worried that "Gorbymania" would lull the West into a false sense of security. Gorbachev's well-received pronouncements gave the impression that the Cold War had already ended. But saying so didn't make it so. Third World conflicts were still a contentious issue. Scowcroft believed the Soviets had "narrowed" their priorities while intensifying efforts to hold key positions. "Soviet recalcitrance in the Third World deepened my reservations about Gorbachev," he wrote. 16 This was especially the case with Afghanistan, where the Kremlin's handpicked ruler, Najibullah, was still in power thanks to massive Soviet aid, and in Nicaragua and El Salvador, where Cuba and East Germany had taken up some of the Soviet slack. 17 Such trouble spots led Scowcroft to comment that perestroika looked like a "Brezhnev system with a humanitarian paint job."

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Looks like those guys at the CIA need some assistance M, care to give them a call?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 10:22 #13
Michal: The Russian word is pjerjestroika No. The Russian word is перестройка. JustysiaS used the commonly accepted English spelling of the word, which is in fact "perestroika".

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 3, 08, 10:48 #14
Jabwaw: " SOLIDARNOŚĆ " is just a word for Polish ppl ? judging by the support of Polish public to Serbian suveregnity, SOLIDARNOŚĆ isn`t just a word for Poles. Thanks Poles

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♀	Apr 3, 08, 10:58 #15
This site is great. Choose archive number of "Daily Liberty" to find the history of the creation of the "Solidarity" movement http://www.solidarity.gov.pl/ Carol

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 11:21 #16
z_darius: No. The Russian word is перестройка. Had you read what I had wrote then you would have seen that I had written in Latin script the exact same thing. It is pjerjestroika-that is how it is written.

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Apr 3, 08, 11:36 #17

Michal:

I had written in Latin script the exact same thing. It is pjerjestroika-that is how it is written.

No, it's not. Check any dictionary of the English language, American or British. The spelling has no "j". That would be confusing to English speaking readers as "j" is not pronounced as you would hope (i or y)

You are using home grown transcription suitable for some non-English speakers. The official language of this forum is English. Again, JustysiaS used the correct spelling.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 12:49 #18
Yes, her simplified transliteration is acceptable but, like Arabic and Japanese, there is no official transliteration so you must either learn the official alphabet or not try at all.

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER ♀	Apr 3, 08, 15:28 #19
Michal: her simplified transliteration is acceptable first of all its not my simplified transliteration, but a commonly used version that is in the dictionary/encyclopedia. move on for gods sakes, it's not the end of the world just because you were wrong, accept it and move on.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 Apr 3, 08, 15:38 #20
As someone who has studied Russian,the correct wa to spell it phonetically over here would be pYerYestroYka....but we dont spell things phonetically so its,perestroika zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz cant you just say Glasnost ? ;) or sorry,do I mean Glaznoost.....

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: JustysiaS Apr 3, 08, 15:42 #21
isthatu2: pYerYerstroYka michal phonetically spelt a russian word in a way a polish person would, he put j's where you put y's. he is a strange and stubborn man isn't he...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 16:01 #22
Гнилой фашистской нечисти Загоним пулю в лоб, Отребью человечества Сколотим крепкий гроб! That better M'?

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Apr 3, 08, 16:37 #23

isthatu2:

Гнилой фашистской нечисти
Загоним пулю в лоб,
Отребью человечества
Сколотим крепкий гроб!

To the rotten fascist scum
We'll drive a bullet into the forehead,
For the rabble of humanity
We'll knock together a solid casket!

WTF are you rambling about? This polish uniform doesn’t suit you.
Anyway it's a text from Svyashchennaya Voyna.

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Apr 3, 08, 17:22 #24

er,yes pirion ,I sort of know what I write,unlike many,many people on here.....
just for you...

My,Pierwsza Brygada,
Strzelecka gromada,
Na stos - rzucilismy
Swoj zycia los -
Na stos,na stos.

there,is that better?

Piorun:

This polish uniform doesn’t suit you.

I could care less what you think about it mate,my veteren friends seem to disagree,the ones who I raise money for their memorial and their profile over here but,I justify myself to no one unless they actually served with the WP or AK during the war,did you?No,well,keep quite old bean theres a good chap.

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 17:30 #25
isthatu2: there,is that better? Much much better.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 17:31 #26
Thank you,and sorry for snapping,I hope I explained why I am wearing what I am in the photograph.

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 17:33 #27
isthatu2: why I am wearing what I am in the photograph. Yes you did.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Apr 3, 08, 17:37 #28
Thanks,you wouldnt believe how proud I was to have a veteren of the Mokatow district and some former Radoslaw veterens tell me how glad they were that someone in Britain who wasnt even Polish was trying to keep their memory alive and maybe educate a few people along the way. all the best mate.

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER ♀	Apr 3, 08, 17:39 #29
isthatu2: My,Pierwsza Brygada, Strzelecka gromada, Na stos - rzucilismy Swoj zycia los - Na stos,na stos. i learnt this at school, it's a song right?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 Apr 3, 08, 17:40 #30
the song of the Polish legions J',it was actually your national anthem for a short period of time too :) (although,whisper this...the tune is an old russian one....)

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