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Edited by: 1jola  Oct 30, 09, 12:42    #1
This Latvian documentary is too controversial for socialist Europe. Made with EU funds it has met a brick wall when it comes to showing it in EU. Find out why.



You will not find the whole film on the net, but on its website there info where you can see it around the world and you can buy the DVD.

http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/

A short clip:



Don't you love the posters at the end? So, who copied who?

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 Oct 30, 09, 13:06    #2
Can you give us a summary?
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 Oct 30, 09, 13:26    #3
Jews (Marks and Engels) saying "Slavic people must perish in a Holocaust" good one ...
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Edited by: 1jola  Oct 30, 09, 14:31    #4
“The Soviet Story” is a story of an Allied power, which helped the Nazis to fight Jews and which slaughtered its own people on an industrial scale. Assisted by the West, this power triumphed on May 9th, 1945. Its crimes were made taboo, and the complete story of Europe’s most murderous regime has never been told.

“The Soviet Story” also discusses the impact of the Soviet legacy on modern day Europe. Listen to experts and European MPs discussing the implications of a selective attitude towards mass murder; and meet a woman describing the burial of her new born son in a GULAG concentration camp.
The Soviet Story is a story of pain, injustice and “realpolitik”.

Harry, I just received the film. If you like, I'll pass it on to you. My friends who watched it, say there are many disturbing facts it, one being that the Holdomor era grain was being sold to Europe. I can't view the DVD on my PC so I can't comment more.
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 Oct 30, 09, 14:59    #5
Another interesting fragments:





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Edited by: sjam  Oct 30, 09, 18:16    #6
Interestingly in the youtube clip David Irving is mentioned as questioning the validity of the written NKVD/SS agreement believing it to be a fake? I guess Irving should know something about fake wartime documents as he was caught up the the fake British government documents that purported to show Himmler did not commit suicide but was murdered by the British intelligence service... but these were proved to be complete but very clever fabrications that were 'introduced into the British National Archive files by an unscrupulous person in order to make money selling them!

Does the documentary prove without doubt this Soviet document to be genuine?

Didn't the Soviets maintain an embassy in Nazi occupied Warsaw unitl 1941?
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Edited by: sjam  Oct 30, 09, 18:37    #7
If you have bitTorrent you can download the whole film at:

http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/3479/The-Soviet-Story-2008

Personal note: I'm not uploading this because I think it's a good documentary. In fact, I think it's rather the opposite. Some of the sweeping ;; and blunt statements in the trailer and the website should raise several eyebrowes if you have a warm place in your heart for any vision of a cooperative society. As does the fact that this piece was essentially financed by the Union for Europe of Nations, which is a conglomerate of petty Nationalist and neo-fascist Groups within the European parlament. It's also noteworthy that the filmmaker apparently had to resort to corresponding with noted Holocaust denier David Irving to try and back up one of his strongest claims (i.e. that the Nazis let the soviet secret service in on their plans for the Holocaust as early as 1939).

So this piece should be taken with a lot of caution. On the plus side though, the film has those other neo-fascist pigs of "Young Russia" seething with rage, and that's definitely a good thing. Russian society really needs to take a more honest look at some of its recent history

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If you don't have BitTorrent on your PC you can download it here :-)
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 Oct 30, 09, 19:21    #8
1jola:
A short clip:

Scottish Highlanders ......... racial trash that would have to be destroyed......LOL
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Edited by: 1jola  Oct 30, 09, 19:35    #9
Ok, it is on youtube after all. Here is part one, then follow the rest:



Sjam, please don't post personal notes from idiots. Watch it yourself.
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 Oct 30, 09, 19:46    #10
Which political parties make up the Union for Europe of Nations that finaced the film?
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 Oct 30, 09, 20:00    #11
Ah Sjam always there to deny crimes against Polish people, where would we be without our resident anti-Polish bunch :)))
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Edited by: derek trotter  Oct 30, 09, 20:07    #12
you can get this documentary from emule as well
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 Oct 30, 09, 20:35    #13
sjam:
Which political parties make up the Union for Europe of Nations that finaced the film?

So you are a socialist and you find the truth distastful. No surprise. This film should be shown in every school in Europe so the truth is finally told. Of course, it's hard to compete with the Holocaust.
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Edited by: 1jola  Oct 30, 09, 20:55    #14
sjam

After you watch it, ask yourself why hasn't it been shown in your country. Maybe you can do something about that, having something to with film and the media as I understand.

from wiki

The Economist review of The Soviet Story praises the film by saying

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems.[1]

New York Times is less pleased. We are all surprissed:

The New York Times in its review of the documentary stated

The film is not dispassionate scholarship; Mr. Snore, who is Latvian, and his backers (including some members of the European Parliament) obviously have an agenda, though to the casual American viewer it may not be clear what it is.[26]

As to the Russian/Kremlin historians the reaction is full of passion. They are so emotional:

A Russian historian with alleged FSB affiliation[28][29], Alexander Dyukov has been the most vocal critic of the documentary. His first reaction on the film was this: "After watching two thirds of the film, I had only one wish: to kill its director and to burn down the Latvian Embassy."[


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Edited by: sjam  Oct 30, 09, 21:35    #15
Wasn't the film was sponsored by the national conservative right?

So hardly an independent production?

Union for Europe of the Nations was a political group of the European Parliament between 1999 and 2009.

Membership by party at 10 February 2008

On 10 February 2008, UEN had 44[15][16] MEPs as follows:
Member state Party MEPs
Denmark Danish People's Party 1
Ireland Fianna Fįil 4
Italy National Alliance 8
Italy Lega Nord 4
Italy The Right 1
Latvia For Fatherland and Freedom 4
Lithuania Lithuanian Peasant Popular Union 1
Lithuania Order and Justice 1
Poland Law and Justice 7
Poland League of Polish Families 5[nb 1]
Poland Self-Defense of the Republic of Poland 5[nb 2]
Poland Polish Peasant Party "Piast" 3

1jola:
why hasn't it been shown in your country.

Maybe my country just isn't interested in the subject.

Nobody gives a monkey what happened to Poland or Poles during WWII most don't even know where Poland is unless they are going there on some stag-do **** up!

1jola:
So you are a socialist and you find the truth distastful. No surprise. This film should be shown in every school in Europe so the truth is finally told. Of course, it's hard to compete with the Holocaust.

What Holocaust? The one that didn't include the Poles or the one that did?

Careful what you say as your infamous 'thought police' might arrest you and that would be that comrade. At the sound of that dread word, the only sound to be heard is 1jola beating a hasty retreat back to the USA from whence he came :-)))
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 Oct 30, 09, 21:56    #16
sjam

Your posts are becoming less and less interesting. The film is not about Poland, but there is something about Britain though. It says if communist criminals are ever threatened with a trial, they can find savehaven in the UK. Like Wolińska did.

sjam:
Nobody gives a monkey what happened to Poland or Poles during WWII

You lead a sheltered life. I know a Brit who is active in comemorating the fallen Poles ( a monument). I can give you a link if you want. He cares, so don't say nobody.


Aren't we pissy today?
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 Oct 30, 09, 23:35    #17
1jola:
Aren't we pissy today?

He's pissy whenever his anti-Polish position requires something more then rude lies about Poland, when he's faced with facts he's down to "nobody cares" :)
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 1, 09, 22:24    #18
Sokrates:
He's pissy whenever his anti-Polish position requires something more then rude lies about Poland,

Still waiting for you to provide the link to my anti-polish lies about Poles running concentration camps in WWII?

Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras and sodomizing the pope

Your repugnant peodophillic and latent homoerotic sexual fantasies... sadly speak volumes!

1jola:
if communist criminals are ever threatened with a trial, they can find savehaven in the UK.

I think you will agree that Polish communist criminals even find safe have in Poland? They just don't turn up to court and still walk free in Poland? Is that not so?

1jola:
This film should be shown in every school in Europe so the truth is finally told. Of course, it's hard to compete with the Holocaust

You mentioned this film having to compete with the Holocaust? I asked which one you meant the Holocaust that did not include the Poles or the one that did? Or is it that you don't believe there was a Holocaust at all and is that the problem in your answering?
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 Nov 1, 09, 23:22    #19
Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras and sodomizing the pope

sjam:
Your repugnant peodophillic and latent homoerotic sexual fantasies

Is this an eastern European thing to insult each other this way, guys? :)
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 Nov 1, 09, 23:59    #20
TheOther:
Is this an eastern European thing to insult each other this way, guys? :)

Just a tradition on polishforums.com
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Edited by: lesser  Nov 2, 09, 01:00    #21
Great document, I have always stated that nazism and communism consist two radical branches of socialism. Those people were worth each other. Don't expect that EU-socialist establishment let this document to be watched in mainstream TV channels. In fact there are communist groups in EU parliament which are not exposed as enemies of liberty like National Socialists. The latter group is often labelled to be far-right like if they shared any common stances with right-wing camp. Socialist establishment remember old doctrine of Goebbels, repeat lies over and over and finally it will be considered truth. This document clearly show whom where the allies, almost the same posters preach for almost the same goals. Hitler and Stalin, two socialist comrades, two racists fanatics, two mass murderers.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 09:11    #22
lesser:
Don't expect that EU-socialist establishment let this document to be watched in mainstream TV channels.

This is complete nonsense.

EU-socialists do not control the mainstream TV media! Outside of public service broadcast the media is contolled by commercial companies that broadcast/make programmes that are produced to attract large audiences in order to offer advertising agencies a market for their clients products ie. to generate advertising revenues for the TV companies, this is how they raise money for programming and for their shareholders. If a TV company thought this particular film had merit enought in attracting such a large audience, enough to generate advertising revenues it would be screened over and over again! That is how commercial broadcast works!

lesser:
two mass murderers.

This much is true!

TheOther:
Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras and sodomizing the pope

sjam:
Your repugnant peodophillic and latent homoerotic sexual fantasies

Is this an eastern European thing to insult each other this way, guys? :)

I see no insult in my pointing out this sexually deviant statement? I ask you what kind of disturbed mind-set would conjour up such a repugnant statement ???
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sjam:
I see no insult in my pointing out this sexually deviant statement? I ask you what kind of disturbed mind-set would conjour up such a repugnant statement ???

Me! And you're becoming more and more boring captain "all Poles are anti-semite" and "Poles ran concentration camps" :)))
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 Nov 2, 09, 13:18    #24
Sokrates:
And you're becoming more and more boring captain "all Poles are anti-semite" and "Poles ran concentration camps"

You keep saying that I have made this anti-Polish lie but strangely you can't seem to link to even one post where I have made such a statement about Poles running concetartion camps during WWII ?? Surely if I did indeed make such a claim even you could find the link and quote it?? This must be the easiest thing to prove my lie??

Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras and sodomizing the pope

Sokrates:
Me! :)))

Your peodophillic sexual fantasies are not something to laugh over, they are deeply disturbing and IMO you need treatment before these deviant fantasies are turned into actualised abuse of children.
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sjam:
Your peodophillic sexual fantasies are not something to laugh over, they are deeply disturbing and IMO you need treatment before these deviant fantasies are turned into actualised abuse of children.

Ok but couldnt you make them somewhere else? It gets boring when you drop it every other line in completely unrelated topics, why dont you make a "Sokrates is a deviant" thread or something?

Also i called my girlfriend "baby" a few times, you think thats some repressed fantasies surfacing?:)))

sjam:
I have made this anti-Polish lie

Use the plural form, you've repeatedly lied about Polish participation in alleged crimes and when a document was made where Poles were presented as victims of Jews and Soviets you immidietaly made attempts to devaluate it, you just cant hide your anti-Polish sentiments mr "Poles run concentration camps".

If we connect your previous statements about Poles operating concentration camps with your current attempt to undermine "The Soviet Story" we have a clear picture of just how much you dislike Poland and to what lengths you're ready to go to slander it.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 14:59    #26
Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras and sodomizing the pope

Sokrates:
Also i called my girlfriend "baby" a few times, you think thats some repressed fantasies surfacing?:)))

Your attempt to trivialise your previous sick post does not take away the despicable ideas you are thinking about to have posted such words!

Sokrates:
skullfvcking a newborn child before cameras

Sokrates:
"Sokrates is a deviant"

Sadly, your own words prove it to be so.


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Sokrates:
If we connect your previous statements about Poles operating concentration camps

So let us connect to just one statement where I said Poles operated concentartion camps in WWII? All you have to do is post the link to this one lie of mine?

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Paste that link here :-))
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Sokrates:
when a document was made where Poles were presented as victims of Jews and Soviets you immidietaly made attempts to devaluate it,

From the selected YouTube clips in this thread the film seemingly presents a document which allegedly proves that a written agreement was signed by the Nazis and Soviets who colluded together to create the Jewish Holocaust? However in one of the YouTube clips posted in this thread the film narrator states David Irving doubted the authenticty of this written document? I asked if the authenticity of the document was proved conclusively by the film makers? This question remains unanswered here. This signed document was allegedly smuggled out of Soviet Union? Why just this one document? Why not all the Katyn documents? Did the Memorial organisation or Fundacja osrodka KARTA get involved to authenticate the document? What did experts from the IPN say about this document?

And how is this dcoument different from the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty?

There is no doubting the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty of 28 September 1939 existed. Under the terms of this treaty “both parties will tolerate in their territories no Polish agitation which affects the territories of the other party. They will suppress in their territories all beginnings of such agitation and inform each other concerning suitable measures for this purpose.” The Gestapo and its Soviet counterpart, the NKVD, worked in close collaboration towards this goal. In eastern Poland the Red Army had captured almost 200,000 Polish prisoners, with numerous prisoner exchanges taking place between Soviet and German forces. These are already known facts and are not new facts discovered by this documentary? So what is the news?
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Edited by: Sokrates  Nov 2, 09, 15:33    #27
sjam:
Your attempt to trivialise your previous sick post does not take away the despicable ideas you are thinking about to have posted such words!

No i just dont care, the mods apparently dont care, the people dont care only you do because thats about the only argument you ever held while having discussions with me:)

Now dont be such a stuck up puppy skullfvcker Sjam, you've got a grudge then make a thread how you feel i'm another Boston Strangler in the making or something:)))
sjam:
So what is the news?

The news is the ostracism the Western media practice in regards to this document because it shows Jews and Russia in negative light and there is an effort to humanize Russia of WW2 and completely cover up Jewish crimes even if historical accuracy suffers because of this.

Also in the effort is to cover up the fact that Poland despite immense sacrifices and its unbending will to fight was cynically betrayed and sold out by the Western Europe and America.
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 Nov 2, 09, 15:46    #28
Congratulation, Sokrates! The level of anti-semitic sentiment had been rising with each next comment of yours and now you finally reached the level of Joe Pilsudski!
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vetala:
Congratulation, Sokrates! The level of anti-semitic sentiment had been rising with each next comment of yours and now you finally reached the level of Joe Pilsudski!

Have you even watched the document or just post to smear people and take away the weight of their arguments by ad hominem assault?
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 Nov 2, 09, 15:54    #30
I did watch it. Whole, not just the youtube clips. And it said nothing about Jews other than that Uncle Joe rounded up some Jewish refugees and gave them to Hitler as a gift of friendship.


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