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Edited by: Sokrates  Nov 2, 09, 15:57    #31
vetala:
I did watch it. Whole, not just the youtube clips. And it said nothing about Jews

Thats only because you're an uneducated simpleton, i'll give you an example, Marks and Engels:)

Both Marks and Engels were Jewish (with Marks' family having rabinic roots) and they openly encourage "Holocaust of Slavs" as inferiors.

Of course the Jewish case is just one of several reasons for which the document is ostracised.

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 Nov 2, 09, 16:26    #32
Great document. A must see for those, who were lucky not to live under one of most evil regimes ever - communism.

Just in case, english subtitles are available here:
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3404824/the-soviet-story-en
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 16:36    #33
Sokrates:
skullfvcker Sjam, you've got a grudge

i think you have some serious personality disorder issues which need adressing. You should try and discuss these with your parents or other sympathetic adults you feel you can trust.

Sokrates:
The news is the ostracism the Western media practice in regards to this document because it shows Jews and Russia in negative light and there is an effort to humanize Russia of WW2 and completely cover up Jewish crimes even if historical accuracy suffers because of this.

Garbage!

Interestingly the national conservative right organisations that funded this film include Lithuania whose citizens murdered almost 200,000 Jews during WWII—bet there is no mention of Latvian complicity in the Holocaust in the film? Nor the fact that the Latvian Arājs Commando, (and in part the Latvian auxiliary police) aided the Nazis in murdering some 25,000 Jews in the Rumbula forest near Riga—now I'll bet this isn't mentioned in the film? That there was a Danish SS unit—the Schalburg Corps? Bet this isn't mentioned in the film either?
Aslo I'll bet the Italian facsists who were allies of Germany during WWII aren't mentioned either?
Now why would these political parties from countries that actively collaborated with the Nazis some of whom aided the mass murder of Jews sponsor a film that you say 'shows Jews and Russia' in a bad light??

Sokrates:
The news is the ostracism the Western media practice in regards to this document

When was this film presented to the 'Western' media for programming review? Which 'western' broadcast companies was it put forward to for consideration? Do you know? If you do then what evidence do you have that it was rejected soley because of it subject matter or is this just your opinion—because it hasn't be shown on mainstream western media? Maybe it hasn't been shown because the film does not meet the progarmme buyers criteria regarding production values, likely audience figures, advertising ROI, future third-party rights sales etc., compared to other programme offerings? Do you know anything about how 'western' commercial broadcasters operate? I think not?
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 Nov 2, 09, 17:00    #34
1jola:
This Latvian documentary is too controversial for socialist Europe. Made with EU funds it has met a brick wall when it comes to showing it in EU. Find out why.


Excellent, excellent clips...I would also suggest reading Jiri Lina's 'Under the Sign of the Scorpion', which is no longer available to download online, but which can be purchased...Lina's book is overwhelming (He is Estonian)...We see where the whole idea of 'holocausts' really came from...."Socialist Europe finds it too controversial"...Certainly.
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 Nov 2, 09, 17:27    #35
Wow, I'm surprised there has been a forum made about this. Yes, i saw the film when it came out and own a personal copy of it. I believe they have all the parts uploaded on YouTube. But yes, I have studied the Soviet Union quite a bit, and everything the film practically says is true. It is a bit troubling to see it in live imagery, but you can't deny it. Anyone that's read a book about Stalin or his regime runs into the facts. Yes, there was a Soviet and Nazi allied-ship for two whole years and the film focuses upon that.
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 Nov 2, 09, 17:44    #36
Also, mentioning Lina again, he has a film available on YouTube called 'The Lightbringers' detailing the role of the Masonic Lodges in bringing the Communist/Bolshevik psychopaths into power...Serb journalist Dejan Lucic has stated that 'Communism, Fascism, Socialism are just feuds that take place within the Lodge'.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 17:53    #37
joepilsudski:
Lina's book is overwhelming (He is Estonian)

German SS and police units, together with Estonian auxiliaries, massacred the 4,500 Jews of Estonia by the end of 1941.

I wonder what does Lina write of this?
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 Nov 2, 09, 18:17    #38
sjam:
I wonder what does Lina write of this?


As Lina has his POV, he might place some emphasis on the preponderance of Jewish Estonians in Soviet secret police and administrative units there, and their activities of torture, interrogation and murder against Estonians...We need some balance in these historical discussions...Some perspective....In fact, Lina talks about Jewish communists massacring other Jewish communists...The 'nazis'?...Another topic.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 19:03    #39
joepilsudski:
As Lina has his POV, he might place some emphasis on the preponderance of Jewish Estonians in Soviet secret police and administrative units there, and their activities of torture, interrogation and murder against Estonians

Strange indeed if Lina writes about the preponderance Jewish Estonians there were in the Soviet secret Police especially since the Estonians helped the Nazis murder almost all 4381 of them and it is documented that less than a dozen survived the Nazi occupation which ended when the Soviets re-entered Estonia in September 1944.*

*Encyclopedia of the Jewish Diaspora: Origins, Experiences, and Culture By M. Avrum Ehrlich
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 19:23    #40
joepilsudski:
The 'nazis'?...Another topic.

LITHUANIAN QUARTERLY JOURNAL OF ARTS AND SCIENCES

Recruiting of volunteers for military service began in 1941, and resulted in the formation of an Estonian Legion, said to number 20,000 men, which has seen considerable action on the eastern front.45 Parts of the Legion, such as the SS Narva Battalion, are known to have sustained heavy casualties.46 Although there is no precise information on the total number of casualties sustained, a figure of 5,000 appears reasonable in view of the length of service of these units.

Wonder why Lina would not write about this Estonian-Nazi collaboration also... as a balance or counter point to Soviet-Nazi collaboration?
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 Nov 2, 09, 19:37    #41
Sokrates:
Both Marks and Engels were Jewish (with Marks' family having rabinic roots) and they openly encourage "Holocaust of Slavs" as inferiors.

Oh, sorry. I didn't know that Marks and Engels were spokesmen for the whole Jewish nation. Don't forget that they were raised in Germany and German Jews were usually well-assimilated with the general population so it's more possible that they simply parroted the general views of the western nations, which were quite often unfavourable to Slavs. Marks even converted to lutheranism, which means that he willingly ABANDONED his Jewish identity and everything associated with it. Blaming 'Jews' for Marks' views would be like blaming 'Poles' for Dzierżyński's crimes.
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 Nov 2, 09, 20:21    #42
vetala:
Oh, sorry. I didn't know that Marks and Engels were spokesmen for the whole Jewish nation.

Where did i say it was the Jewish nation? I said it was the Jews, didnt they teach you how to read at school?
vetala:
Don't forget that they were raised in Germany and German Jews were usually well-assimilated

Got any basis for that? Because from what i know most German Jews were not assimilated at all.
vetala:
so it's more possible that they simply parroted the general views of the western nations

Again if you were not such an uneducated little bugger you would know that they were the precursors of certain ideologies, there were no corresponding views prior to them because they started them.
vetala:
which were quite often unfavourable to Slavs.

How so? Russia was viewed very positively and it was virtually 80% of all Slavic world at the time.
vetala:
which means that he willingly ABANDONED his Jewish identity and everything associated with it.

Did he? Did you ask him? Did he sewer all links with his rabbi family and brainwashed himself clean and clear of his upbringing?:) Interesting logic you've got there!
vetala:
Blaming 'Jews' for Marks' views would be like blaming 'Poles' for Dzierżyński's crimes.

Oh i'm not blaming the Jews at large i'm merely pointing out that Marks and Engels were Jews, of course lots of "German" Jews were fairly anti-Polish, we're talking about Jews who came from territories belonging to Poland before, one could hazard a point that German anti-Polonism took its roots from the Jewish population Germany ingested when partitioning Poland but thats a huge topic in itself.
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 Nov 2, 09, 20:44    #43
vetala:
Dzierżyński's crimes.

Dzerzhinsky's real name was Rutin.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 2, 09, 21:44    #44
joepilsudski

Rufin was part of his name not Rutin your source, Lina's book, is captioned incorrectly as Rutin.

Felix Dzerzhinsky's father was Edmund Rufin Dzierzynski (1838-82), a graduate of the University of St. Petersburg, a Polish country gentleman and teacher of mathematics, who retired early to live on his Dziarzhynava estate.

wiki page for Felix Dzierżyński:

Dzierżyński was born into a Polish szlachta (noble) family of the Samson coat of arms in the Dziarzhynava estate near Ivyanets and Rakaw in Western Belarus (in present-day Minsk Voblast), then part of the Russian Empire.


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Edited by: joepilsudski  Nov 2, 09, 22:42    #45
rufin

Well, Wikipedia may be right/they may be wrong, as with Lina...An interesting face...Similar in certain features to both Lenin and Trotsky, ironically...A bit Mongol characteristics...The entry says nothing of his father or mother...No matter...A son of hell.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 3, 09, 13:13    #46
joepilsudski:
Well, Wikipedia may be right/they may be wrong, as with Lina.

Well this link might put you right!

History and genealogy of the noble Konstantynowicz family


Dzierzynski i.e. Dzerzhinskii (Dzerzhinskii - according to "Imperial and Soviet Russia (...)", Melbourne 1986 by David Christian; named Dziershynski in the Ihumen district related to Tumilovich = Tumilowicz family; the Dzierzynski or Derzinskis house of Sulima arms was verified in Minsk 1819; a poorer members were administrators in the Wankowicz house; others were related to Bulhak family and held Pietrylowicze farm in the Asmjany district in 1838, also Podgaj farm in Barysau district at the end of the 19th cent.; Edmund Dzierzynski = Dzerzhinskii of Sulima arms who was father of Feliks, verified hereditary nobleness in Vilna on 14 June 1862), Nieciejevski (their coat of arms verified in the Minsk goverment in 1836), Milkiewicz (alone acquaintances and that's only accidental similarity with surname of Malkiewicz), Stankiewicz (or Stankivich, among other things Antoni, Walerian and Jan - the sons of Stepan).
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 Nov 3, 09, 16:49    #47
This writer had some interesting insights:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html#foreword

Foreword

Elizabeth Dilling Stokes was born, raised, and educated in Chicago. After attending the University of Chicago she married, and for many years devoted her life to her children, social activities on the North Shore of Chicago, and being a concert harpist. After hearing of the great "humanitarian experiment" in Soviet Russia, she traveled there in 1931, and was able to go behind the scenes. She was shocked at the forced labor, the squalid living quarters, and deplorable living conditions, and the atmosphere of fear created by the Soviet dictatorship.

She was most shocked by the virulent anti-Christianity of the atheist Communist regime.

Following her return to the United States she lectured and wrote about what she had seen, realizing from the opposition which immediately arose that a substantial Marxist movement was active in the United States. In 1934 her first book The Red Network was published, and exposé of the persons and organizations furthering Red causes in the United States. In 1936, her second book, The Roosevelt Red Record and Its Background, was published.

Almost immediately after these books were published, she was attacked as "anti-semitic," although she had actually offered her anti-Communist services to Jewish organizations, and knew nothing of organized Jewish involvement in the Marxist movement. After researching and studying, however, in 1940 she published her third book The Octopus, which dealt with these subjects.



http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/whois.html

Our family trip to Red Russia in 1931 started my dedication to anti-Communism. We were taken behind the scenes by friends working for the Soviet Government and saw deplorable conditions, first hand.

We were appalled, not only at the forced labor, the squalid crowded living quarters, the breadline rationcard workers' stores, the mothers pushing wheelbarrows and the begging children of the State nurseries besieging us.

The open virulent anti-Christ campaign, everywhere, was a shock. In public places were the tirades by loud speaker, in Russian (our friends translated). Atheist cartoons representing Christ as a villain, a drunk, the object of a cannibalistic orgy (Holy Communion); as an oppressor of labor; again as trash being dumped from a wheelbarrow by the Soviet "Five-Year-Plan"--these lurid cartoons filled the big bulletin boards in the churches our Soviet guides took us to visit.

In the Museum of the Revolution we were shown a huge world map. As our Guide turned a switch, lights came on indicating the places all over the world where Communist Party headquarters were then functioning. Proudly our Guide announced: "Our world revolution will start with China and end with the UNITED STATES".

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Edited by: lesser  Nov 3, 09, 21:30    #48
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lesser:
Don't expect that EU-socialist establishment let this document to be watched in mainstream TV channels.

This is complete nonsense.

EU-socialists do not control the mainstream TV media! Outside of public service broadcast the media is contolled by commercial companies that broadcast/make programmes that are produced to attract large audiences in order to offer advertising agencies a market for their clients products ie. to generate advertising revenues for the TV companies, this is how they raise money for programming and for their shareholders. If a TV company thought this particular film had merit enought in attracting such a large audience, enough to generate advertising revenues it would be screened over and over again! That is how commercial broadcast works!

This would be the case if state issued concessions would not exist. In the end, people nominated by political bodies decide which TV channels have green light to broadcast.

Beside of that nearly every socialist province of the EU run public TV which have mysterious "mission" to accomplish. Showing anything bad on the left is not part of the "mission". Seanus would write that this is unsuitable. There is no free market in this industry.

sjam:
Which political parties make up the Union for Europe of Nations that finaced the film?

This is funny question. I'm curious, if you would watch documentary about crimes of national socialists, would you also ask the same question?

You find it very strange that this is possible to make a documentary about communist crimes?

Might I ask, perhaps you are in denial of some specific communist crimes presented in this documentary? Ukrainian famine is a bogus? Katyn's genocide never happened? Gulags never existed? National Socialists were never allied with Soviets? Finland was never invaded by the SU? Perhaps something else?
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 Nov 4, 09, 03:13    #49
this one is real good too, proceeds from the opinion that Darwin's theory of evolution gave life to the communist ideologies of death. Makes sense, if you consider that when you start treating people like apes and animals it does have a certain tendency to set civilization back a few years. I know a religion that supports that view too but we already discussed that. Or tried to albeit interference from uneducated supporters of the idea..

this video is a muslim perspective, you have to register a youtube account to view, it gets pretty gory in places.


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 Nov 4, 09, 08:05    #50
sjam:
zierzynski i.e. Dzerzhinskii (Dzerzhinskii - according to "Imperial and Soviet Russia (...)", Melbourne 1986 by David Christian; named Dziershynski in the Ihumen district related to Tumilovich = Tumilowicz family; the Dzierzynski or Derzinskis house of Sulima arms was verified in Minsk 1819; a poorer members were administrators in the Wankowicz house; others were related to Bulhak family and held Pietrylowicze farm in the Asmjany district in 1838, also Podgaj farm in Barysau district at the end of the 19th cent

Thank you for the information.
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 Nov 4, 09, 08:21    #51
Take into account the next.
1. Modern Latvia is a Nazi country, where politics take place in WW2 Latvian SS regiment celebration.
2. As USSR was a native enemy of all Nazi-type countries, moder Latvian historics are hating USSR as much as Hebbels, their guru, did.
3. Hence, the idea to get an objective information about USSR and Russia is a nonsense.
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Nov 4, 09, 08:24    #52
cheehaw:
The open virulent anti-Christ campaign, everywhere, was a shock. In public places were the tirades by loud speaker, in Russian (our friends translated). Atheist cartoons representing Christ as a villain, a drunk, the object of a cannibalistic orgy (Holy Communion); as an oppressor of labor; again as trash being dumped from a wheelbarrow by the Soviet "Five-Year-Plan"--these lurid cartoons filled the big bulletin boards in the churches our Soviet guides took us to visit.

All true...Dilling was even the victim of an American 'show trial' because she opposed war with Germany...Aviator Charles Lindbergh was also persecuted for this...Dilling was leader of group called 'Mothers Against the War'...Charges against her were dismissed by an American judge.

Communism was a creation of atheistic Jews, beyond a shadow of a doubt...The first law passe in the Soviet Union was a law against 'anti-semitism' punishable by death.

The Bolsheviks planned to build a huge statue of Judas Iscariot in Red Square, but decided against being so obvious in their propaganda.
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Edited by: Ryszard  Nov 4, 09, 14:18    #53
ghostbuster:
1. Modern Latvia is a Nazi country

Web brigades members are not welcomed here, now go back to USSR where you belong to, kthxbye
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 4, 09, 15:41    #54
lesser:
This would be the case if state issued concessions would not exist.

What planet do you live on? Certainly not one that involves commericial broadcast.

lesser:
In the end, people nominated by political bodies decide which TV channels have green light to broadcast.

With respect, this shows your ignorance on how western commercial broadcasting companies operate. Maybe your knowledge, or lack of it, is coloured by your living under previously communist state controlled media? The only thing that matters to commercial companies are profits, as it rightly should be. They are controlled by audience figures and advertising revenues not by political bodies.

If what you say is true there would be no TV channels broadcasting anything that might suggest political dissent... which is most certainly not true in western media where profits are king!

Here in UK, even the state-owned BBC broadcasts what to the present UK government are considered anti-government programmes!

There have been many cases where the government of the day has tried in vain to muzzle the BBC. Hell, the BBC even decided to allow the right-wing pro-fascist BNP a platform to appear on one of its prime-time political TV slots despite protest from some Labour (read Socialist) government figures! So much for state-control even in a state- owned corporation!!

lesser:
This is funny question. I'm curious, if you would watch documentary about crimes of national socialists, would you also ask the same question?

You find it very strange that this is possible to make a documentary about communist crimes?

No I am interested in knowing if I am being presented with political propaganda or an objective investigation.

The national conservative right organisations that funded this film include Lithuania whose citizens murdered almost 200,000 Jews during WWII—bet there is no mention of Latvian complicity in the Holocaust in the film? Nor the fact that the Latvian Arājs Commando, (and in part the Latvian auxiliary police) aided the Nazis in murdering some 25,000 Jews in the Rumbula forest near Riga—now I'll bet this isn't mentioned in the film? That there was a Danish SS unit—the Schalburg Corps? Bet this isn't mentioned in the film either?
Aslo I'll bet the Italian facsists who were allies of Germany during WWII aren't mentioned either?
Now why would these political parties, mainly from countries that actively collaborated with the Nazis and some of whom aided the mass murder of Jews, sponsor this film?

lesser:
Might I ask, perhaps you are in denial of some specific communist crimes presented in this documentary? Ukrainian famine is a bogus? Katyn's genocide never happened? Gulags never existed? National Socialists were never allied with Soviets? Finland was never invaded by the SU? Perhaps something else?

How can I be in denial of these facts? In fact I have never denied any such historical facts-- however I have made clear before my position that I believe the crimes now collectively known as 'Katyń' were not genocide but were war crimes for all the reasons I posted in another thread to state my case.

Also I believe the film also tries to establish an explicit link between the USSR and the Nazis for the Holocaust as presented in written documents convientiently smuggled out of the USSR for the progamme makers? Maybe you can answer this? Was the IPN or Memorial or Karta organisataions asked to verify that these were indeed genuine Soviet documents?

lesser:
Beside of that nearly every socialist province of the EU run public TV which have mysterious "mission" to accomplish. Showing anything bad on the left is not part of the "mission".

Are you a victim of an earlier communist regime? If you are then you have my sincerest sympathies and I hope your recovery from the ordeal is eventually successful given time.
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 Nov 4, 09, 17:04    #55
sjam

You have not seen the film, but when you do, come back here.

BBC is not interested in showing it because it is embarassing to socialists. George Bernard Shaw, active in founding the Labour Party, defending Stalinism and advocating genocide might not be what the British students so in awe of Shaw's plays are ready for.

The War Crimes Act 1991, which does not include Soviet crimes as war crimes, is nothing to be proud of either.

Polish TV will not show it either. If they do, it will be at 2 in the morning someday. The left is well entrenched.
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Edited by: sjam  Nov 4, 09, 18:24    #56
1jola:
BBC is not interested in showing it because it is embarassing to socialists.

How do you know this as fact? Who was it submitted to at the BBC and when? Which other mainstream western media was it offered to and was subsequently refused? Do you have the rejection letters with the reasons? Or is it just more disinformation about western media ? Just crap more like!

You have seen the film so maybe you can answer this what was the IPN, Memorial and Karta's organisation's view of the smuggled out Soviet documents? Were they consulted?

I have purchased a copy of the film from the filmakers website and am looking forward to seeing what David Irving's responses were as well as hearing the views from IPN etc.

1jola:
defending Stalinism and advocating genocide might not be what the British students so in awe of Shaw's plays are ready for.

Based on this comment I don't think you really know anything about East European studies in England at all!! Your view is most likely coloured by your own education under the communists of Poland. The socialists don't control what is taught in English universities any more than the Tories do!

1jola:
Polish TV will not show it either. If they do, it will be at 2 in the morning someday.

So again where is your evidence that this film was rejected if at all for political reasons by Polish TV? But in anycase if it was shown at 2am does it matter? Are there no video recording devices in Poland yet for those that might want to really watch it at a more reasonable time?

The internet is bigger than any mainstream broadcasting corporation and there is no alleged censorship by political parties involved so this film will get an audience as large or small as it deserves, don't you think?
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Edited by: lesser  Nov 4, 09, 21:19    #57
sjam:
This would be the case if state issued concessions would not exist.

What planet do you live on? Certainly not one that involves commericial broadcast.

According to you The Office of Communications doesn't exist in the UK? Below fragments of Wiki article.

Ofcom's responsibilities are wide-ranging, covering all manner of industries and processes. It has a statutory duty to further what it considers the interests of citizens and consumers by promoting competition and protecting consumers from what it considers harmful or offensive material. Some of the main areas over which Ofcom presides are licensing, undertaking research, creating codes and policies, addressing complaints and looking into competition.

Ofcom is responsible for the management, regulation, assignment and licensing of the electromagnetic spectrum in the UK, and licenses portions of it for use in TV and radio broadcasts, mobile phone transmissions, private communications networks, and so on. The process of licensing varies depending on the type of usage required. Some licenses simply have to be applied for and paid for, others are subject to a bidding process. Most of the procedures in place have been inherited from the systems used by the previous regulators. However, Ofcom may change some of these processes in future.

Perhaps miraculously political establishment doesn't control Ofcom? No way!

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2009/02/nr_20090220a
The Government today confirmed the appointment of Colette Bowe as Ofcom’s new Chairman. She will take up the position on 11 March.

The confirmed appointment follows a public scrutiny hearing by the Business and Culture, Media and Sport Select Committees which took place on 13 January 2009 in line with Parliamentary procedures for public appointments.

So, who is an ignorant here?

sjam:
here have been many cases where the government of the day has tried in vain to muzzle the BBC. Hell, the BBC even decided to allow the right-wing pro-fascist BNP a platform to appear on one of its prime-time political TV slots despite protest from some Labour (read Socialist) government figures! So much for state-control even in a state- owned corporation!!

BNP politician was invited once. This proof nothing, I actually watched on You Tube and this was organized lynch. They wanted to expose BNP agenda and for sure they succeed to some extend. If they would invite BNP politicians regularly and talk with them aboout something else than racism in BNP then you could have a point. However this is not the case.

Beside of that the only mainstream party in the UK which doesn't seems to be socialist is UKIP. Both Tories (I highly doubt whether Thatcher still support this party) and especially BNP are socialist.


sjam:
The national conservative right organisations that funded this film include Lithuania whose citizens murdered almost 200,000 Jews during WWII—bet there is no mention of Latvian complicity in the Holocaust in the film? Nor the fact that the Latvian Arājs Commando, (and in part the Latvian auxiliary police) aided the Nazis in murdering some 25,000 Jews in the Rumbula forest near Riga—now I'll bet this isn't mentioned in the film? That there was a Danish SS unit—the Schalburg Corps? Bet this isn't mentioned in the film either?
Aslo I'll bet the Italian facsists who were allies of Germany during WWII aren't mentioned either?
Now why would these political parties, mainly from countries that actively collaborated with the Nazis and some of whom aided the mass murder of Jews, sponsor this film?

This film was about Soviet crimes and Soviet-Nazi collaboration. There is no reason to mention neither Lithuanian, Latvian or Italian collaboration. These are topics for other documentary. Your expectations cannot be treated seriously. Perhaps you would rather welcome documentary about above mentioned issues rather communist crimes and Soviet-Nazi alliance?

sjam:
Maybe you can answer this? Was the IPN or Memorial or Karta organisataions asked to verify that these were indeed genuine Soviet documents?

No, you know that I cannot. We can also question every each historical document. This is not a reason to ban this documentary (silence if also kind of ban, no need to official ban) or insist that this is propaganda.

sjam:
But in anycase if it was shown at 2am does it matter? A

Yes it does matter. Basically only people who already know much would be willing to record such documentary. Wider, incidental publicity wont even know (add lack of adversing campaign).
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 Nov 4, 09, 21:32    #58
cheehaw:
"Our world revolution will start with China and end with the UNITED STATES".

It ended with Poland.
cheehawThreads: 9
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 Nov 5, 09, 07:32    #59
pffft.. O' bama and his O 'czars are pushing communism so hard it's sickening.

Guess no one told him blacks are on the racial cleansing list. he thinks he's different or something.

One his whitehouse ladies went to a college, maybe it was a high school i forget.. does a commencement speech.. she starts raving about Mao.,.. he is her favorite world leader.

They should pack her off to the salt mines to prove it. Maybe toss in one of her kidneys as a donation toward gratitude and remembrance.
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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Edited by: MareGaea  Nov 5, 09, 09:50    #60
joepilsudski:
The first law passe in the Soviet Union was a law against 'anti-semitism' punishable by death.

Prove that.
joepilsudski:
Communism was a creation of atheistic Jews, beyond a shadow of a doubt...

Oh yes, there are many shadows of doubt here, Joe. When I do a search for "Jewish Bolshevism", except for Wiki, I get solely ultra-rightish web sites, known anti-semitic websites and other despicable ocurrences, all under the umbrella of "freedom of speech", unfortunately.

Here's the first paragraph of Wiki:

Jewish Bolshevism, Judeo-Bolshevism, and Judeo-Communism is a pejorative stereotype [1] based on the notion that Jews are the driving force behind the modern Communist movement, specifically the Russian Bolsheviks.

The expression was the title of a pamphlet, The Jewish Bolshevism, and became current after the October Revolution (1917) in Russia, featuring prominently in the propaganda of the anti-communist "White" forces during the Russian Civil War. It spread worldwide in the 1920s with the publication and circulation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It made an issue out of the Jewishness of some leading Bolsheviks (most notably Leon Trotsky) during and after the October Revolution. It is rare to find an anti-Semitic source after 1917 which does not stand in debt to the White Russian analysis of the Revolution."[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

And then Leon Trotsky got killed in Mexico by Stalin, a non-Jewish Georgian.

This nicely describes the origins of the myth and how ridiculous all those sources of those so-called "truth-full" websites. Can't believe that nowadays ppl are still so stupid to take simple anti-communistic propaganda as basis for their convictions.

Joe, I previously advised you to go do some gardening: a useful, fulfilling, satisfying and above all, a neutral, harmless and non-politcal hobby which will make you feel better as a human. Maybe you could call in the help of Sokrates and Lesser as garden gnomes? Sokrates can sit on his little bench and Lesser can be put on the edge of your pond with a little fishing rod. And then after all the work is done, you can meet at the big oak tree for political meetings.

So the three of you could all nicely work together in creating a nice garden in which you can sit with your friends and discuss all the bad things those evil Jews have done to the world and how, no matter what the plot was, the poor, religious Poles (Slavs) were the victim of it. Even if it was directed at the Chinese, the Poles are still the victim of it. Hey, maybe you can plot a conspiracy there to destroy all Jews and take over the world and we all will be Slavic then! How about that, eh? Wouldn't that be great?

>^..^<

M-G (is nice to his handicapped fellow human beings)


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