MareGaea: John Demjanjuk is a Ukrainian, "Iwan the terrible" (i forget his name) was a Ukrainian.
What name did you forget? If a person is called "Ivan the Terrible", there is a big chance he is called Ivan. Some say John Demyaniuk is Ivan the Terrible. Taking into consideration the accusations, which you seem to follow, you are talking about one person, but twice! use he is Ukrainian as if there are 2 persons. Confused?!
Now:
His conviction for crimes against humanity was later overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court in 1993 due to a finding of reasonable doubt based on evidence suggesting that Demjanjuk was not "Ivan the Terrible" and had, in fact, been a guard at camps besides the one at Treblinka.[3] After the trial, he was returned to Cleveland, Ohio. He eventually moved to nearby Seven Hills, Ohio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk
MareGaea: John Demjanjuk was co-responsible for the murder of 28.000 ppl in Treblinka and Sobibor.
Did Israel prosecution missed something that you managed to uncover?
As you see Israeli !!!!!!!! Supreme Court overturned the decision. He is innocent. Where is a source that some Ivan the Terrible was Ukrainian. But even if - you said:
MareGaea: there were millions of Jews killed in the process and no,the vast majority of the killers were Germans, Austrians, Ukrainians and a host of other nationalities.
Could you, please, show me the vast majority of Ukrainians were part of killing Jews?!
Is this your source? ;) I don't doubt Polish members' knowledge on that matter, but I prefer something harder than hearsay.
MareGaea: See what they think of how the Ukrainians acted in Warsaw, for example.
My favorite and ferocious opponent Porzeczka :) managed to find 300 recruits from Western Ukraine (I don't argue that majority were pure-blood Ukrainians) who took part in Warsaw uprising. What these people have to do with Jews' extermination? In most cases the Ukrainians who did fight along the Nazis did it not for the sake of some Reich or other Nazi BS,they did it for their own country's independance.
Beside the source, I would also be very grateful if you, MG, gave me some source where Ukrainians, Latvians and Lithuanians, whom you mention, took more enthusiasm in working with Nazis than did Dutch or any other for that matter. Before that, just take into consideration how many Ukrainians soldiers fell on the battlefield with Nazi - 2.5 millions, not counting UPA partisans. Also:
Prof. Norman Davies, criticizing western historians, wrote:
"...the overwhelming brunt of the Nazi occupation between 1941 and 1944, as of the devastating Soviet reoccupation, was borne not by Russia but by the Baltic States, by Belarus, by Poland, and above all by Ukraine.... nowhere is it made clear that the largest number of civilian casualties in Europe were inflicted on the Ukrainians, millions of whom were killed both by the Nazis and by the Soviets. Thanks to persistent wartime prejudices, many British and Americans still harbor the illusion that most Ukrainians spent the war either as auxiliaries in the concentration camps or in the Waffen-SS Galizien....[but] the Waffen SS recruited three times as many Dutchmen as Ukrainians." (New York Review of Books June 9, 1994, p. 23).
Is this that vast majority of the Dutch that you wanted to mention instead of pinpointing unjustly other nations? ;) Also I wouldn't mention resistance of certain countries during WWII, MG. Could it be also called "enthusiasm"? No? ;)
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