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celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 23, 08, 10:45 #1
Ya right there with St. Hitler. I can't believe how this barbaric bastard is being hailed some great Russian. Will Stalin be made a saint? The Orthodox Church in Russia is under growing pressure to make former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin a saint if he wins a popularity poll to nominate the greatest Russian in history. Bureau Report http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=457446&sid=LIF&ssid=68

plk123Threads: 16 Posts: 4329 Joined: Aug 29, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 23, 08, 11:24 #2
Poland needs the missile shield. :)

szarlotkaThreads: 15 Posts: 2817 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Jul 23, 08, 11:29 #3
So the word saint actually means "barbaric murdering despot with a penchant for sexually assaulting young children"? Must be the Old English definition then. Can you believe these Russian nouveau commies?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 23, 08, 11:33 #4
Just this part shows how twisted the Russian image of Stalin is. "They have already commissioned religious icons depicting Stalin with a halo round his head that have reportedly sold very well around the city."

noimmigration	Jul 23, 08, 13:49 #5
stalin saved along with churchill saved poland from the nazis. I think oland should have a national saint stalin day. All the old people could wear hammers and sickles.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 23, 08, 14:37 #6
noimmigration: stalin saved along with churchill saved poland from the nazis bs Stalin took over Poland because he didn't want just 1/2

noimmigration	Edited by: noimmigration Jul 23, 08, 17:16 #7
celinski: bs Stalin took over Poland because he didn't want just 1/2 your ancestors were kissing the red armies feet after the russians saved them from the camps. I have seen 1945 footage of polish people throwing roses at russian soldiers. Polands saviour

bramkazThreads: 1 Posts: 44 Joined: Jul 16, 08 Gender: Male	Jul 23, 08, 17:20 #8
noimmigration: you ancestors were kissing the red armies feet after the russians saved them from the camps. I have seen footage of polish people throwing roses at russian soldiers. Lol... you are amusing

tornado2007Threads: 21 Posts: 3638 Joined: Jul 11, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 23, 08, 17:22 #9
To be honest you have to look at it from the Russian point of view and not the biased Polish view. Stalin did a lot for Russia (USSR). He did for sure do a lot more bad than he did good, however if your willing to shoot him down for the bad why not recognise the good also??

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 23, 08, 17:22 #10
noimmigration: your ancestors were kissing the red armies feet after the russians saved them Screw u it was Stalin's camp and no they knew the real monster Stalin was. Thats why in 1951 my family came to the USA.

tornado2007Threads: 21 Posts: 3638 Joined: Jul 11, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 23, 08, 17:29 #11
celinski: Screw u it was Stalin's camp and no they knew the real monster Stalin was. Thats why in 1951 my family came to the USA. I think you'll find it was Winston Churchill who pointed out what Stalin would do after the end of the war. No Polak was responsible for that, While he was a hopeless politician he was won of the best leaders that ever lived. Don't take uncle Winstons thoughts and credit it to some Polak please that would offend me greatly!!!

bramkazThreads: 1 Posts: 44 Joined: Jul 16, 08 Gender: Male	Jul 23, 08, 17:52 #12
Get some books instead of tv noimmigration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tempest

Wahldo	Jul 23, 08, 18:04 #13
noimmigration: Polands saviour I think Uncle Joe is standing on a box in that pic with the kids.

ConstantineKThreads: 28 Posts: 1683 Joined: May 10, 07 Gender: Male	Edited by: ConstantineK Jul 24, 08, 05:25 #14
celinski: Ya right there with St. Hitler. I can't believe how this barbaric bastard is being hailed some great Russian. Will Stalin be made a saint? The Orthodox Church in Russia is under growing pressure to make former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin a saint if he wins a popularity poll to nominate the greatest Russian in history. Bureau Report http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=457446&sid=LIF&ssid=68 Seeing your posts Celinski, I want to ask only one question, are you sick in reality as well as your posts look like?

ParisJazzThreads: 2 Posts: 203 Joined: Oct 23, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 06:22 #15
tornado2007 : To be honest you have to look at it from the Russian point of view and not the biased Polish view. Stalin did a lot for Russia (USSR). He did for sure do a lot more bad than he did good, however if your willing to shoot him down for the bad why not recognise the good also?? A "lot" for Russia? My memory is certainly failing me. Would u mind naming a few things out of this "lot" ? Stalin's myth is essentially due to his perceived role in fighting the Nazis. He did what any other ruler would have done in similar circumstances: repel an invader. He didn't do anything particularly heroic or genius. His soldiers and generals on the field did the dirty work. Stalin had murdered at least 30 million people long before Hitler's extermination of Jews and gypsies began. He presided over massive population deportations, wide spread famines, and the complete destruction of means of production and industries. He contributed to turning Russia ( as well as other ex communist countries) into a nation of soulless fatalist and nihilist cynics. They still are until the present day. Oh well.. If you really see a "lot" of good in him, you certainly are particularly discerning. PJ

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 24, 08, 07:52 #16
ConstantineK: are you sick in reality as well as your posts look like? If knowing the truth about mass murder makes me "sick" I guess I am. I stand by my words, Stalin is, was and remains a barbaric bastard that had no value of human life.

Dupek StupakThreads: 5 Posts: 89 Joined: Jul 22, 08 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 07:57 #17
Stalin isn't so bad. He only killed some twenty millions his own citizens. What a guy!

ConstantineKThreads: 28 Posts: 1683 Joined: May 10, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 08:14 #18
ParisJazz: Stalin's myth is essentially due to his perceived role in fighting the Nazis. He did what any other ruler would have done in similar circumstances: repel an invader. So why your, French leaders did nothing to repel Hitler? Or maybe such names as Philippe Pétain, Jean Leguay etc are in the French Pantheon?

ParisJazzThreads: 2 Posts: 203 Joined: Oct 23, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 08:29 #19
I acknowledge no leader, former or present and u r wrongly assuming am French. Now if u care to discuss Stalin, the subject of the thread, I might even answer u. PJ

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Jul 24, 08, 12:22 #20
Celinski, pls don't make anything out of nothing. If I posted every rubbish I found surfing web, we would probably may discuss something like "Russians are extraterrestrials". This article is not worth serious perception and I promise that at least in the nearest future he won't be made "saint". And... don't obsess over Russophobia.... we're surely bad though, just like any other nation.

BorrkaThreads: 33 Posts: 569 Joined: Apr 25, 08 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 12:31 #21
Sasha: I promise that at least in the nearest future he won't be made "saint". But you cannot deny he is number 1 in the ranking of great Russians.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 24, 08, 12:35 #22
Sasha: pls don't make anything out of nothing This is adding salt to a wound. Do you feel the ones that lost loved ones due to Stalin's politics should just ignor this. This is something for us. Sasha: don't obsess over Russophobia.... This new word is not going to silence the victims any longer. I do not fear "Russian" as the term "phobia" implies, I seek truth and respect for the family and friends that were abused and killed, then silenced for far to long.

plk123Threads: 16 Posts: 4329 Joined: Aug 29, 07 Gender: Male	Edited by: plk123 Jul 24, 08, 12:55 #23
bramkaz: Lol... you are amusing NOT..he's anass tornado2007: To be honest you have to look at it from the Russian point of view and not the biased Polish view. Stalin did a lot for Russia (USSR). He did for sure do a lot more bad than he did good, however if your willing to shoot him down for the bad why not recognise the good also?? he killed more russians (his own peeps) the he killed the nazis. come on... do you have a sanctuary to Hitler... i mean he did a good thing or two, no? tornado2007: I think you'll find it was Winston Churchill who pointed out what Stalin would do after the end of the war. No Polak was responsible for that, While he was a hopeless politician he was won of the best leaders that ever lived. Don't take uncle Winstons thoughts and credit it to some Polak please that would offend me greatly!!! yet, ol'd winston sold us out anyway. ConstantineK: Seeing your posts Celinski, I want to ask only one question, are you sick in reality as well as your posts look like? hay. u must be anass too then.. jeezzzzzzzz she knows more about this anyobdy on here. ParisJazz: Stalin had murdered at least 30 million people long before Hitler's extermination of Jews and gypsies began poles too.. b___h celinski: If knowing the truth about mass murder makes me "sick" I guess I am. I stand by my words, Stalin is, was and remains a barbaric bastard that had no value of human life. exactly noimmigration: comment deleted this is the best comment from you, EVER.. use it as an example for your future posts or just go away. Sasha: Celinski, pls don't make anything out of nothing. If I posted every rubbish I found surfing web, we would probably may discuss something like "Russians are extraterrestrials". This article is not worth serious perception and I promise that at least in the nearest future he won't be made "saint". And... don't obsess over Russophobia.... we're surely bad though, just like any other nation. why? this is BS and poles need to keep an eye on the russkies. we should never trust them, ever. Borrka: But you cannot deny he is number 1 in the ranking of great Russians. obviously you didn't read the short article. putin, the other scoundral is no. 1. celinski: I seek truth and respect for the family and friends that were abused and killed, then silenced for far to long. and you should be commended for your vigilance. keep up the good work girl.

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Jul 24, 08, 13:12 #24
Borrka: But you cannot deny he is number 1 in the ranking of great Russians. Oh... Borrka, I haven't seen you for ages. Let me hug you my polish bro! :)) I can. He's currently number 2. I personally think this rank is a c rap. One can vote as many times as he wants. (Btw I didn't vote at all). celinski: This is adding salt to a wound. Do you feel the ones that lost loved ones due to Stalin's politics should just ignor this. This is something for us. I meant that this article was unreliable. That's it. celinski: I do not fear "Russian" as the term "phobia" implies, ok. I'm happy then. :))

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 13:14 #25
Hmmm. A half-Russian who killed lots of Russians (and many others besides).

plk123Threads: 16 Posts: 4329 Joined: Aug 29, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 13:17 #26
what was the other half? rat?

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Edited by: Sasha Jul 24, 08, 13:17 #27
osiol: half-Russian He's not half-Russian if you mean Dzhugaschvili (Stalin). He's partially Georgian and partially Caucasian Jew I believe.

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 13:28 #28
And there was me thinking he was at least a little bit Russian. If you kill lots of Russians, is this how they reward you, or do you have to kill even more non-Russians ontop of that?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 4 Posts: 7919 Joined: Apr 2, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 13:31 #29
Hitler killed lot's of Russians too...I mean....if that's a requirement...

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Jul 24, 08, 13:37 #30
osiol: And there was me thinking he was at least a little bit Russian. Ok... if you want you may consider him a bit Russian. :) even though neither of his parents had any Russian scent. osiol: If you kill lots of Russians, is this how they reward you, or do you have to kill even more non-Russians ontop of that? Well... good question. Overwhelming majority of every country are not very intelligent people. Stalin in his turn mostly destroyed so-called "Intelligencija", who he was afraid of. Plain people supported that. This way he has been able to keep the power and be in favour of most of the people.

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 13:45 #31
Sasha: Ok... if you want you may consider him a bit Russian. :) even though neither of his parents had any Russian scent. Why would I want to think of him as a bit Russian if he wasn't?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2000 Joined: Oct 19, 07 Gender: Male	Edited by: lesser Jul 24, 08, 13:47 #32
1. Stalin wont be proclaimed saint by the ROC. 2. Neither silly polls or Communist Party are representative for the state or public opinion. 3. Soviet army rolled over Poland because they had issue with Nazi Germany and appetite to extend its sphere of influences. Nothing more. 4. Stalin should be condemned by every sane person, because he was a mass murdered.

BorrkaThreads: 33 Posts: 569 Joined: Apr 25, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: Borrka Jul 24, 08, 13:48 #33
I'm sorry to disapoint you Russian brothers - according to DNA test the pride of your hearts was Ossetian (father) and Georgian (mom).

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Edited by: Sasha Jul 24, 08, 13:50 #34
osiol: Why would I want to think of him as a bit Russian if he wasn't? nevermind, I misundestood you. I apologize. :) I'm just getting used reading this forum that Russians killed Kenny and in general if there's something bad, there's Russians. I hope it's only my paranoia. :) Dear Borrka, why would you disappoint me (or all Russians) with that? Can you provide me with a link? Who made this test? Why don't you believe other sources saying that his father was Georgian? Agree with lesser. :)

plk123Threads: 16 Posts: 4329 Joined: Aug 29, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 14:04 #35
Sasha: He's not half-Russian if you mean Dzhugaschvili (Stalin). He's partially Georgian and partially Caucasian Jew I believe. half russian half georgian.. no proof of jewishness. just a rumor from what i gather Bratwurst Boy: Hitler killed lot's of Russians too...I mean....if that's a requirement... then he's in the running. :D

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2887 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Jul 24, 08, 14:04 #36
plk123: and you should be commended for your vigilance. keep up the good work girl. Thank you I will try. Here's one of the links to the poll. Bloody dictator Joseph Stalin could soon be named Russia's greatest man - despite his reign of terror killing 70 million of his people. In a worrying wave of support, 263,000 votes have put the tyrant only 4,000 behind Tsar Nicholas II to be TV's The Name of Russia. Russia's version of the BBC series Great Britons - won by Winston Churchill - has seen the man who sent millions to the Gulags and tortured rivals before, during and after the war feted by ex-communists and right-wingers. A Stalin cult is using the net to get votes before December. One diplomat said: "When Russians feel weak they cling to strong men." mirror]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ topstories/ 2008/07/17/ bloody-dictator-joseph-stalin- could-be- named-russia- s-greatest- man-89520- 20651523/

SashaThreads: 3 Posts: 1242 Joined: Apr 19, 08 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Jul 24, 08, 14:08 #37
plk123: half russian half georgian.. no proof of jewishness. just a rumor from what i gather Rumour? Perhaps. Anyway... Who of his parents was Russian? :)

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 14:11 #38
What's wrong with Nikolai Gogol or Yuri Gagarin?

plk123Threads: 16 Posts: 4329 Joined: Aug 29, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 14:12 #39
Sasha: paranoia. Polephobia? ;)

rebobThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 23, 08 Gender: Male	Jul 24, 08, 14:21 #40
Get some books instead of tv noimmigration Did you really insult this person by implying they should read rather than watch TV - and then turn around and reference Wikipedia?

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