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HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Oct 9, 09, 13:21    #31
1jola:
I remember you saying that you knew him. Do ping me when he comes, though. I'll take my stack of his books for signing. When I spoke to Krauze when he was making the film, he said security for Rezun was a big issue. Have they forgiven him?

Well, he's still got a sentence of death hanging over him and their house in the UK has some fairly serious security (which was stepped up a few notches after Litvinenko was stiffed by the Russians) but frankly the FSB know exactly where he'll be for more than enough of the time to take him out if they ever really wanted to.

I'll be sure to let you know when he'll next be in Warsaw.
isthatu2Threads: 13
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Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 9, 09, 13:39    #32
szczeciniak:
wards of Soviet GRU defector Viktor Suvorov

lol, old Vicky S'....say no bloomin more....
southernThreads: 116
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 9, 09, 19:23    #33
Stalin for sure tricked Hitler about the real strength of red army.However the decision to attack SU was Hitler's not Stalin's.
ConstantineKThreads: 35
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Joined: May 10, 07 ♂ 		 Oct 9, 09, 22:25    #34
scrappleton:
Greg Zhukov saved Stalin's a.ss in the war.

Don't touch Stalin, he was genius !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scrappletonThreads: -
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Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 09, 00:34    #35
ConstantineK:
Don't touch Stalin, he was genius !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??? Okay, sorry. I guess he told some good jokes at Tehran, Yalta.
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 10, 09, 01:15    #36
Don't forget the hilarious episode 1945 until he died in 1953.

>^..^<

M-G (doesn't hear any comment on his tunes)
szczeciniakThreads: 5
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Joined: Sep 8, 09 ♂ 		 Nov 18, 09, 02:09    #37
ConstantineK:
Don't touch Stalin, he was genius

genius? no
smart!yes
THE RUSSIAN
FACE OF
GERMANY
AN ACCOUNT OF THE SECRET MILITARY
RELATIONS BETWEEN THE GERMAN
AND SOVIET-RUSSIAN GOVERNMENTS
still reading it:-) but already stoning history.
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 19, 09, 05:01    #38
Great documentary, quite rare to see an enlighted Russian historian :)
1jolaThreads: 33
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Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 19, 09, 10:02    #39
Sooner or later this film will have English subtittles and it should be interesting:

Rzhev: Marshal Zhukov’s Unknown Battle

http://www.historynet.com/film-spurs-russia-to-squelch-criticism-of-so viet-war-tactics.htm
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Joined: Jan 13, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: sjam  Nov 19, 09, 11:30    #40
1jola:
Sooner or later this film will have English subtittles and it should be interesting:

Something we can agree on.

Also from the same weblink:

Several high-ranking members of the Russian government have even called for a new law, based on Holocaust denial legislation in Germany, that would criminalize any reference to the Soviet Union not winning the war.

I have some personal interest in this issue, which was supposed to be being brought before the Russian Parliament this summer to make it law. Anybody know if it was it passed into law? I haven't see much mention of recently?

The Moscow News
Re-examining Rzhev
By Adrian Blomfeld

Surely, in Russia of all places, it cannot be so hard to understand that victory is only won through great human sacrifice. Is it really that unpatriotic to praise the Soviet Union's victory but also to take a little time to recall the blood that was spilled in achieving it?

Wouldn't it actually enhance rather than belittle Russian history to suggest, as Britons like to do, that the foot soldiers of the war were "lions led by donkeys". Would it be an unconscionable idea to have a Remembrance Sunday in Russia as well as a Victory Day?

Blomfeld makes a good point.
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 19, 09, 11:32    #41
1jola:
Sooner or later this film will have English subtittles and it should be interesting:

I've seen it with english subtitles already...mostly actually (some witness tellings weren't translated).
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Joined: Apr 27, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: joepilsudski  Jan 3, 10, 03:04    #42
szczeciniak:
wards of Soviet GRU defector Viktor Suvorov
Stalin tricked Hitler into starting the war
link to explanation:
it does make sense ?thou!!

I find the article interesting, however, I don't believe that Stalin was quite the strategic thinker...Stalin was a survivalist, with a jackal's cunning, but I believe his main goal was simply to divide and conquer the Khazar jackals who surrounded him, even though we have some data that he was half Khazar himself, on his father's side.

And, his Georgian peasant side surely made him deeply distrustful of any foreigners.

Rather, I think the whole creation of Communism was financed by fanatical and elitist Jews who wished to control Russia's resources and to gain a sort of revenge against the Russian people, who they were long time enemies with...The same also sought to pit Germans against Russians.

But, as with all plans of the devil, things go awry, as the devil has limited power, and must depend on the vanity of man...By the time Stalin had gained power, Khazars in the Soviet Union were running out of steam to a degree, and Stalin used them as pawns on a chessboard...I just don't see Stalin as a 'long range strategist'...I believe he knew what was coming in terms of 'reaction' to the Soviets from the Germans, and took primarily defensive measures.

We must remember that all WWII served only the interests of Wall Street and the City of London, where the bankers made tons...This is the 'Illuminati' angle.

I think the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was merely a delaying action.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: jonni  Jan 3, 10, 04:09    #43
The last thing Stalin wanted was war with Germany - twenty years after the revolution and civil war, unable to feed their citizens, under-developed industrially - it was his worst nightmare.

joepilsudski:
I believe his main goal was simply to divide and conquer the Khazar jackals who surrounded him

He would have needed a time machine, because the Khazarian culture vanished over 800 years before he was born.

joepilsudski:
This is the 'Illuminati' angle.

Don't you mean the shape-shifting Rothschilds?
1jolaThreads: 33
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jonni:
unable to feed their citizens

What happened? Was there a famine? A draught? Too much food export?
BabinichThreads: 1
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jonni: The last thing Stalin wanted was war with Germany - twenty years after the revolution and civil war, unable to feed their citizens, under-developed industrially - it was his worst nightmare.

Hmm, unable to feed their citizens... The question is whether Stalin was unable or unwilling.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 3, 10, 16:10    #46
Babinich:
The question is whether Stalin was unable or unwilling.

In my opinion both.

1jola

They were also exporting grain while their citizens were going hungry. They used the money to pay for electrification and grand projects.
SokratesThreads: 19
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Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jan 3, 10, 19:37    #47
Seanus:
Stalin's main strength was that he preserved the Red Army to the point that they were always likely to stave off any threat from the Nazis and then catch them when vulnerable.

Sean your grasp of Russia is really epic, you continue to write ridiculous stuff about them over and over.

Stalin killed 90% of the med-high level staff, thats preservation?
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Joined: Apr 27, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Jan 4, 10, 18:55    #48
jonni:
Don't you mean the shape-shifting Rothschilds?

Well, among others...However, the Rothschilds shape-shifters?...I have heard this, but they stay pretty invisible, considering they are the richest family in the world, so I can't tell if they change shape...We do know, however, that they STRICTLY keep to the will of their founder, which says 'everything important stays in the family', so in this way they stay the same.

Jonni, for you and all others really interested in all the intrigues of Bolshevism and it's de-evolutionary counterpart, Stalinism, I would recommend the website 'Neither Aryan Nor Jew' by the Australian Peter Myers...Simply 'google' it, and you will find a wealth of information, including the book 'Icebreaker'...Myers is an amazing 'compiler' and you will find enough links on the subject to keep you busy for a minimum of 6 months.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Jan 4, 10, 19:14    #49
joepilsudski

Quite an interesting site. He seems to believe very much in the 'New World Order' conspiracy, seeing patterns where there are none.

I liked the Tao Te Ching quotes.
joepilsudskiThreads: 44
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Joined: Apr 27, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Jan 4, 10, 19:18    #50
jonni:
Quite an interesting site. He seems to believe very much in the 'New World Order' conspiracy, seeing patterns where there are none.

Ha!...No patterns?...Some would listen to Bach and not hear any patterns either!...But he has an interesting site, with links to many hard or impossible to obtain books/material.

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