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"Stalin's Hell on Earth" by Ludwik Kowalski


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Another book on-line by prof. Ludwik Kowalski:

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/father2/introduction.html

From the introduction:

The idea of writing about Stalinism sprang from an accidental encounter. In July of 2000, while vacationing in Alaska, I noticed a plaque with the name of the Russian town Magadan in an Anchorage souvenir store. That name had been engraved in my memory since 1939, when I was eight years old, living in Russia. The address: "Kolyma, Magadan, Buchta Nagayevo" was where my father, arrested one year earlier, had died in a concentration camp at the age of 36.

The name Kowalski and gulag triggered something I had read before:

At the time I did not know about Auschwitz and the smoke above Birkenau, but if I had known and somebody asked me I would have answered without hesitation - Kolyma. In exchange of view we would have asked one another:
What could be worse than death in crowded gas chambers and the dehumanizing disposal of bodies in fiery crematorium? What could be worse than prolonged suffering from cold, hunger and disease before the body gives in to the white icy crematorium?


http://www.gulag.hu/white_auschwitz.htm

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Post by Mr.Ludwik Kowalski coppied from another thread:


This is not commercial advertising. The FREE book I am promoting does not generate money for anyone. And this is not a comment on an already published item.

1) I want you to know about my new book. Anyone can now read it ONLINE. And it is FREE.

The URL is:


http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html



2) Please share this URL with all who might be interested. Thank you in advance.


The title is: “Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality.”

This 2010 book is my autobiography. It is based on a diary I kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).

3) Comments, as always, will be appreciated. I expect my book to be readable by all browsers and under all operating systems. (Please send me a private message immediately if the content is not clearly displayed on your computer screen.)

Ludwik Kowalski
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Montclair State University (USA)
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 Jun 11, 10, 11:14    #2
Too bad such books are appearing in America, Poland, etc. but not where they would do the most good -- in Russia. Why did it take the Smolensk tragedy for many Russians to first hear about Katyń? Why wasn't that and other atrocities found in normal school books? You'd think Russian history would be of greatest interest to the Russians thesmelves!
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:16    #3
As if Poland's books and education system isn't biased!? but you'll always blame it on the russians or smth
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:29    #4
POLENGGGs:
As if Poland's books and education system isn't biased!?


From your profile I see your interests are:

Energydrink, stimulants, msuic, shamrock

Please post in sections more appropriate to your interests.
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:33    #5
Polonius3:
Too bad such books are appearing in America, Poland, etc. but not where they would do the most good -- in Russia.


What is strange about that? They are published where readers already have preconceptions (negative) about issue. They will read it to fortify their attitudes towards that period.

Why would Russians then read it? it's probably painting them in black. Or not?

I wouldn't. Like everything that' written and has to do something with contemporary history, it doesn't have solid time distance, so not even pseudo objectivity.
Not to question motives of the writer.

Doesn't title speak for itself about the author's intentions?

stop the earth i want to get off
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:47    #6
Natasa:
What is strange about that? They are published where readers already have preconceptions (negative) about issue. They will read it to fortify their attitudes towards that period.

With millions of Russians murdered by the Stalinist regime do you not think they would be interested in reading about it? Why not?

Mind you, it was forbidden to write about it not so long ago. Perhaps it is still forbidden. Freedom of expression is not exactly encouraged in Russia today.
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:50    #7
Natasa:

Why would Russians then read it? it's probably painting them in black. Or not?


So....better to read only flattering propaganda accounts? You prefer to live in your own rosy, world, undisturbed by some harsh truths, and then wonder why the rest of the world doesn't like you? Doesn't trust a people who hasn't even the will or the guts to confront all of it's past, not only the nice stuff?
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 Jun 11, 10, 15:52    #8
There are some problems in Russia:

The World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (WAN-IFRA) and the World Editors Forum have condemned proposed legislation in Russia that "would effectively reintroduce Soviet-style censorship", and have called on President Dmitry Medvedev to reject it.

In a letter to President Medvedev, WAN-IFRA and WEF, the global associations of the world’s press, warned that the proposed law would allow journalists to be jailed simply for carrying out legitimate professional activities.

“The proposed legislation is the latest in a series of measures restricting independent journalism and follow amendments made to the law on extremism in 2006 and 2007 which broadened the definition of extremism to include criticism of officials," the letter said.


Article here:
http://www.wan-press.org/article18515.html
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 Jun 11, 10, 16:08    #9
1jola:
With millions of Russians murdered by the Stalinist regime do you not think they would be interested in reading about it? Why not?

Poles aren't exactly noted for their desire to read about their pre or post-WWII concentration camps.
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 Jun 11, 10, 16:12    #10
I prefer books in English about Polish history. (Except for Norman Davies who is not capable to write anything objective). Polish historians simply cannot be neutral in my view.
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 Jun 11, 10, 16:18    #11
Natasa:
What is strange about that? They are published where readers already have preconceptions (negative) about issue. They will read it to fortify their attitudes towards that period.

Why would Russians then read it? it's probably painting them in black. Or not?

I wouldn't. Like everything that' written and has to do something with contemporary history, it doesn't have solid time distance, so not even pseudo objectivity.
Not to question motives of the writer.

Doesn't title speak for itself about the author's intentions?


Natasa, I got your stance and you certainly have your point. However I am as a Russian think it may be useful for one to read about a different view on yourself whatever bristly or perhaps fail it is. It's like forewarned is forearmed. You know what to except from a foreigner.
I certainly wish Jola didn't base his view on us on the de Cuistine's book but that's already a different story... it's his choice whether to be limited by Astolphe or learn more himself.
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 Jun 11, 10, 16:25    #12
sobieski:
Polish historians simply cannot be neutral in my view.

Can you tell me how many history books have you read in Polish? Any?
List some, please.
alexw68  Jun 11, 10, 16:35    #13
@1jola: what Sasha says is reflected by many Poles I've spoken to who've formally studied their history.

OK, so I'm unqualified to judge, but is it any accident that Norman Davies' Boże igrzysko is the first name on any required reading list (still a set text for matura, no?) and not Jąsienica or Zamoyski?

(Correct me if I'm wrong - it might be for reasons entirely unconnected with perceived bias...)
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Edited by: 1jola  Jun 11, 10, 16:44    #14
Sasha:
I certainly wish Jola didn't base his view on us on the de Cuistine's book but that's already a different story... it's his choice whether to be limited by Astolphe or learn more himself.

I base my view of Russians from my travels throughout Russia, Russian literature, which I like very much, much reading of war-related history books, news reports, etc. I am aware that all that could not substitute living among Russians for many years as required to more fully understand the people. DeCustine's 1830 book is a must in understanding the power structure throughout the society then and how it related to what emerged as the communist system. It is standard reading, just as Toquelvile is on understanding American democracy, written about the same time.

My strong criticism has always been of the Soviet system, and for that matter, of the present Russian system. I've had only pleasant experiences with Russians, minus some anoying everyday airport hassles, but that is more funny than anything else.


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alexw68:
OK, so I'm unqualified to judge, but is it any accident that Norman Davies' Boże igrzysko is the first name on any required reading list (still a set text for matura, no?) and not Jąsienica or Zamoyski?

I am unable to tell you, since I went to high school and university in a different country.

More on topic: How are Suvorov's books selling in Russia, and Politkovskaya's?
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 Jun 11, 10, 17:20    #15
1jola:
I base my view of Russians from my travels throughout Russia, Russian literature, which I like very much, much reading of war-related history books, news reports, etc. I am aware that all that could not substitute living among Russians for many years as required to more fully understand the people. DeCustine's 1830 book is a must in understanding the power structure throughout the society then and how it related to what emerged as the communist system. It is standard reading, just as Toquelvile is on understanding American democracy, written about the same time.


Jola I generally like reading your posts, even though you at times slide into "ti kacap" reasoning (Kostik might have deserved it though, yet I believe it's not serious). I even picked some of your tips on reading: read through "Stalingrad" (I think it was you who initially mentioned it) and "the letters from Russia" is one of books I'm reading right now. However I don't think Suvorov is a writer who's expected to be taken seriously. His books are more like science-fiction and he targets the certain group of people who are eager to see Soviet fails exaggerated. I believe he is an author that mostly read on-line. :) At least no one of my friends wanted to spend money on his light reading (putting it mildly).
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 Jun 11, 10, 18:03    #16
Kostia brings out the best in me, but I'm working on being nice, notice my response to Harry on this thread. :)

I didn't recommend Stalingrad, but I have read it. The German film was very well made as well. Letters from Russia are also very good as these French aristocrats were searching for a new political system after the Revolution. He was a keen observer.

I find Suvorov's research credible, and if you notice, they can't refute him on any major points, but we can talk about that another time. One of the Russian posters, I think Velund, said something here that made sense to me. In Russia, one would start a major battle in each family as some were persecuted and some did the persecuting. Perhaps they want to let the sleeping dogs lie. With so many people killed for no reason, and someone did the arresting, denouncing,etc., there is no incentive in digging into the files. I think I understood him correctly, but you might have some more insight. This is in reference to what Polonius posted. In Poland, the Left is deathly affraid of lustration and access to archives as it also follows the money trail of the criminal enterprise called socialism.

On the lighter note, here is a film based on Suvorov's "Aquarium." ( In Polish). Gotta like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udsqG83SEmM
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 Jun 11, 10, 18:44    #17
1jola:
but I'm working on being nice, notice my response to Harry on this thread. :)


Wasn't it by any chance for that Harry claim to pal up with Rezun (aka Suvorov)? :)

1jola:
One of the Russian posters, I think Velund, said something here that made sense to me. In Russia, one would start a major battle in each family as some were persecuted and some did the persecuting.


The way I see it, basing on my personal experience though, that the quantity of direct executors, active NKVD members and swivel-chair warriors was insignificant as compared to soldiers, civilians etc. who had their hands clean of innocents' blood. As I said somewhere it doesn't take 100 guns to kill 100 people. Believe it or not but I've never seen ex-NKVD member or ex-punishers first-hand (now I don't take into consideration KGB or modern FSB who I've seen in plenty). Yet I know many families whose forefathers either died at WW2 or were executed/exiled at the order of Stalin (nor my family is an exception).
I the problem in that government simply doesn't want to hurt veteran's feelings, feeling of the older generation. They have been truly believing that they are liberators and that they fought against Nazism and they swept "the brown evil" from fraternal lands. Most of them had genuinely heavenly thoughts and intentions. I believe the government doesn't want to deprive them of their beliefs and I don't think it is possible since this is what they've been raised with.
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Edited by: MareGaea  Jun 11, 10, 19:49    #18
sobieski:
Norman Davies who is not capable to write anything objective


True. Norman Davies has been critisized many times for not being objective.

1jola:
Can you tell me how many history books have you read in Polish? Any?


None, only in English, but they are all liars according to you anyway.

>^..^<

M-G (wonders, does the Polish govt pays him?)
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 Jun 11, 10, 20:04    #19
MareGaea:
None, only in English, but they are all liars according to you anyway.

It shows. Wikipedia in English is your only source that I've seen.

Of course, you can't quote me ever saying that. You're trying too hard, son. Relax, and read prof.Kowalski's book over the weekend, it is in English, and come back. Have a great weekend.
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Sasha:
Yet I know many families whose forefathers either died at WW2 or were executed/exiled at the order of Stalin (nor my family is an exception).
I the problem in that government simply doesn't want to hurt veteran's feelings, feeling of the older generation


Don't quite get you here. People died in WWII, or by Stalin's orders, and the government doesn't want to hurt their feelings, so it doesn't like books on murderers?

sobieski:
Polish historians simply cannot be neutral in my view.


It's changing, people like Michnik dying out. Actually, I think she's dead already.
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Edited by: MareGaea  Jun 12, 10, 00:34    #21
1jola:
Wikipedia in English is your only source that I've seen.


Have you ever read anything by Martin Gilbert, AJP Taylor, Hew Strachan, Fernand Braudel, Simon Schama, Modris Eckstein, Fritz Stern? If not, I'd be very careful with statements like wiki would be my only source.

Edit: show me one Polish historian who is completely neutral and I will shake your hand.

>^..^<

M-G (I know you haven't read anything by Gilbert, that's for sure)
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 Jun 12, 10, 01:55    #22
And I am sure you read Immanuel Wallenstein on the the cycles of Hegemony? All three parts? Although I don't necessary agree with Wallenstein, it's at least sth you should've read to understand the bigger context as to why things happen. Maybe that would be better for you than to focus on particularist history as you have done so far. So as long as you cannot prove to me that you read any of the historians I mentioned so far, you are not impressive as such and to me nothing more than a hobbyist who has a severe interest in fatherlandic history, but you don't necessarily need to be a graduated historian for that. Anyone can do that.

Or maybe you could read "The Pursuit of History"; a very boring historiographic book, but essential if you want to know how most Western historians come to their conclusions and which methodology they use. But heck, what do you know. You're an amateur historian anyway.

>^..^<

M-G (read Brandt -my professor- on the dynamics of IR, read Presser and so on)
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Edited by: MareGaea  Jun 12, 10, 02:49    #23
1jola:
From your profile I see your interests are:


Energydrink, stimulants, msuic, shamrock
Please post in sections more appropriate to your interests.


And from your profile it seems like you don't have any interests at all. Too bad. It leaves no sections for you to post. Now go and read the historians I listed above, if you want to make yourself credible as historian, not as a local amateur historian who knows a lot about local history, but nothing about history that matters.

Edit: you seem to be very obsessed with me. That's your prerogative. If it keeps you happy, so be it. I don't care about you. You're just a few words on my lcd-screen. Nothing more.

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)
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 Jun 12, 10, 18:52    #24
I see you didn't read any of them. Let me make some suggestions here: "Rites of Spring - The First World War and the birth of the Modern Age" by Modris Eckstein would be a good start. Then you could read "Gold and Iron: Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire" the mighty epos by Fritz Stern, although I doubt if you ever heard of it. While you're at it, read Fritz Fischer's magnum opus "Griff zur Weltmacht" from 1961 as well. You might start to understand a little. These books shouldn't be too hard for you. And if you cannot read German get the English translation of Fritz Fischer's work. Don't know the English title of it as I only read it in German. Once you read that, you can comment on ppl who really have a degree in History.

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)
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 Jun 25, 10, 00:31    #25
sobieski:
I prefer books in English about Polish history. (Except for Norman Davies who is not capable to write anything objective). Polish historians simply cannot be neutral in my view.


You are known here for your admiration of objectivity.
English authors also.

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 Jun 25, 10, 10:08    #26
There is a better explanation, Natasa.

Znasz j. polski?: Medium


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 Jun 25, 10, 10:47    #27
MareGaea:
True. Norman Davies has been critisized many times for not being objective.


What was Norman Davies criticized for?

He seems like a level headed guy to most people.
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 Jul 8, 10, 02:06    #28
Sasha wrote:

"The way I see it, basing on my personal experience though, that the quantity of direct executors, active NKVD members and swivel-chair warriors was insignificant as compared to soldiers, civilians etc. who had their hands clean of innocents' blood. As I said somewhere it doesn't take 100 guns to kill 100 people. Believe it or not but I've never seen ex-NKVD member or ex-punishers first-hand (now I don't take into consideration KGB or modern FSB who I've seen in plenty). Yet I know many families whose forefathers either died at WW2 or were executed/exiled at the order of Stalin (nor my family is an exception).
I the problem in that government simply doesn't want to hurt veteran's feelings, feeling of the older generation. They have been truly believing that they are liberators and that they fought against Nazism and they swept "the brown evil" from fraternal lands. Most of them had genuinely heavenly thoughts and intentions. I believe the government doesn't want to deprive them of their beliefs and I don't think it is possible since this is what they've been raised with."

1) You are correct, Sasha; the Red Army did contribute enormously to the WWII outcome; much more than what most westerners know or think.

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Polonius3 wrote:

"Too bad such books are appearing in America, Poland, etc. but not where they would do the most good -- in Russia. Why did it take the Smolensk tragedy for many Russians to first hear about Katyń? Why wasn't that and other atrocities found in normal school books? You'd think Russian history would be of greatest interest to the Russians themselves!"

I suppose that spending $12 on a book is still a barrier to many people in Russia and Poland. That is why I gave up on selling my two books ("Hell on Earth" and "Tyranny to Freedom") at www.amazon.com, and made them freely available on line. Please send the links to all who might be interested.

HELL ON EARTH:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/father2/introduction.html

TYRANNY TO FREEDOM:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html

What else can I do? I am open to suggestions. I strongly believe that the more people know about Stalinism the less likely is it that we will suffer from it again.

P.S.
I would certainly provide incentives to people willing to translate the book. Reviews at amazon.com, as you can verify, are rather positive. That can help. Translating and publishing these short and easy-to-read books in native languages can probably be profitable to those who undertake the tasks.

Ludwik Kowalski,
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Jul 8, 10, 12:03    #29
MareGaea:
True. Norman Davies has been critisized many times for not being objective.


He has been praised more than criticized.


MareGaea:
Have you ever read anything by Martin Gilbert, AJP Taylor, Hew Strachan, Fernand Braudel, Simon Schama, Modris Eckstein, Fritz Stern? If not, I'd be very careful with statements like wiki would be my only source.

MareGaea:
True. Norman Davies has been critisized many times for not being objective.


I see so all Poles are incapable of impartiality, is that what you are saying?
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 Jul 8, 10, 12:27    #30
hague1cmaeron:
I see so all Poles are incapable of impartiality, is that what you are saying?


No, some are. But you have them in every field of history. The list of historians I mentioned was just meant as a reference, I seem to remember. I'm a bit hungover right now, so I will expand on that later on, if I don't forget.

>^..^<

M-G (gee, wrote that before I got into a very long lasting alcoholic haze which will end next Monday morning)



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