Star shaped symbol on Polish Eagle???

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Oct 15, 10, 23:02 #1

Okay what are these symbols that look like stars on the wings of the Eagle? I asked my friend if he knows what the stars mean, and he looked at me like I'm cazy and said there are no stars, then i showed them to him and he said they're just feathers. So I asked another friend and once again i got the same look. I showed her and she said it's the eagle's fist?? I always thought they were stars, but these people live in Poland and insist they are not stars. So what the heck are they?

Star eagle

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 23:55 #2
The answer is simple - Shuriken!

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 23:58 #3
Interesting, and the way the shading is going would suggest the light source is coming from the heart.

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 00:08 #4
Polskiej_Dumy: So what the heck are they? A rosette of feathers. Doesn't mean anything, although they say that during the PRL they were stylised to look more like stars.

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Oct 16, 10, 12:05 #5

I have heard it said that those stars are Masonic pentagrams imbedded into the national emblem after the Great War by influential Freemasons in the Polish leadership. But the pentagram is by no means a strictly Masonic symbol and appears in all kind of ancient and contemporary usage and is associated with such diverse groups as Chrsitians, Bolsheviks and Satanists.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/regalia/m_m.html

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Edited by: jonni Oct 16, 10, 13:45 #6

Polonius3:

But the pentagram is by no means a strictly Masonic symbol

Not very Masonic at all, except as a minor symbol of a temporary degree in some American lodges. Not used in Polish freemasonry today, and pre-war Polish freemasonry followed the French model, which doesn't use pentagrams.

Polonius3:

influential Freemasons in the Polish leadership.

There was Pilsudski's brother and Rydz Smigly, among others, howerver masons don't go around "embedding" things - except in books by Dan Brown, maybe.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 14:03 #7
I've heard they had embeded the dollar bill into their symbolism. :)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Oct 16, 10, 14:07 #8
1jola: I've heard they had embeded the dollar bill into their symbolism. :) This has been done to death here before. They didn't. The bug-eyed green aliens from Alpha Centauri might have though. :-) The 'stars' on the Polish eagle just looks like a heraldic device. Either that or aliens put them there.

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Edited by: Gregrog Oct 16, 10, 14:30 #9

Oficjalny wizerunek godła przypominał orła Stanisława Poniatowskiego i był używany do 1927, kiedy powstała nowa wersja wg projektu Zygmunta Kamińskiego. Odrzucono tradycyjną formę, zastępując ją nową (niżej- Tradycja heraldyczna), m.in. usunięto krzyż z korony, dodano dwie pięcioramienne gwiazdki

"The official image of the eagle emblem reminiscent of Stanislaw Poniatowski, and was used until 1927, when the new version was designed by Zygmunt Kaminski. Rejected the traditional form, replacing it with a new (lower-heraldic tradition), among others cross with the crown removed, added two five-pointed stars"

translated via google

But here's nothing about meaning of this stars.

wikipedia

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 15:30 #10
Gregrog: Zygmunt Kaminski. AFAIK, he was the Bishop of Płock. Gregrog: But here's nothing about meaning of this stars. My feeling is that there isn't any specific meaning - and it's just a design thing.

GregrogThreads: 3 Posts: 114 Joined: Feb 2, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 16:50 #11
jonni: My feeling is that there isn't any specific meaning - and it's just a design thing. So do I.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:01 #12
there is a specific meaning - if you are really interested you will find it!

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Oct 18, 10, 21:24 #13
A rosette is a popular pattern decoration element, "flower of life". It's also widely found on traditional art and ancient architecture as decorative motif; normally seen as a traditional symbol without political implications.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 19, 10, 23:38 #14
yes, it looked like stars to me, always. Just, i never thought about it as exclusively communist stars. There are many kind of stars

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Oct 20, 10, 00:57 #15
Crow: yes, it looked like stars to me, always. Just, i never thought about it as exclusively communist stars. There are many kind of stars Well their not 100% red and their to "thick" to be commie stars...

Polskiej_DumyThreads: 26 Posts: 69 Joined: Oct 8, 09 ♂	Oct 21, 10, 20:48 #16
Who said anything about communist stars? Haha

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Oct 30, 10, 17:20 #17

Polskiej_Dumy:

Okay what are these symbols that look like stars on the wings of the Eagle? I asked my friend if he knows what the stars mean, and he looked at me like I'm cazy and said there are no stars, then i showed them to him and he said they're just feathers. So I asked another friend and once again i got the same look. I showed her and she said it's the eagle's fist?? I always thought they were stars, but these people live in Poland and insist they are not stars. So what the heck are they?

I would suggest the stars are symbolic of power, as they could also be viewed as fists...You may also notice the phallus with what could be fire issuing from it...Of course, it may also be an unknown object, framed by tail feathers.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 30, 10, 17:34 #18
joepilsudski: You may also notice the phallus with what could be fire issuing from it. i hadn't noticed, but from now on i'll forever see a well hung eagle. he seems to be wearing a pair of shorts and vest too :) Does the number of feathers mean anything ?.... inner 8 outer 15 ... on either side.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Oct 30, 10, 17:42 #19
Wroclaw: Does the number of feathers mean anything ?.... inner 8 outer 15 ... on either side. 8 +15 23 !!! 8 +15 +15 = 38 = 11 !!! I forget what they're supposed to mean, but 23 and 11 are both big deals for numerology conspiracy people....

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 30, 10, 17:46 #20
mafketis: but 23 and 11 are both big deals for numerology conspiracy people.... where is seanus when u need him

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: joepilsudski Oct 30, 10, 17:46 #21
Wroclaw: i hadn't noticed, but from now on i'll forever see a well hung eagle. Ha, ha!...And why not?...'The Polish Eagle shoots fire from his prick, mowing down all enemies, and taming all wenches!'

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Oct 30, 10, 19:03 #22
mafketis: I forget what they're supposed to mean, but 23 and 11 are both big deals for numerology conspiracy people.... 23 is a number strongly associated with Chaos and Discordia. Apparently, these ideologies are younger than the Eagle. From the Chaotic point of view, however, linear time is not a thing to bother with... and 2+3=5. All things come in fives. Hail Eris! :)

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