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fyip4Threads: 1
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Joined: Jul 28, 09 ♂ 		 Jul 28, 09, 19:33    #1
I'm looking to design my own rendition of the Polish eagle for a tattoo and I was wondering which features I should make sure I include and shouldn't change.

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SeanBMThreads: 41
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The crown on it's head is important.
And the colours White and Red.
The commies tried to chip off the crown from the the symbol of the eagle on walls and statues.
But wait for someone else's reply, as I am not certain.
McCoyThreads: 46
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google orzeł bielik
SeanBMThreads: 41
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McCoy:
google orzeł bielik

I thought he meant

tygielski.org/images/polisheagle.jpg

eagle Polish
fyip4Threads: 1
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yes i mean ^that^
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fyip4:
I was wondering which features I should make sure I include and shouldn't change.

this may help: http://flagspot.net/flags/pl.html
McCoyThreads: 46
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fyip4:
yes i mean ^that^

wouldnt it be easier to google polish coat of arms then asking the question on forums
fyip4Threads: 1
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No I was wondering if any specific features such as the crown or stars on the wing had some sort of meaning or importance to the eagle.
BabinichThreads: 1
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"What are the key features of the Polish Eagle?"

They are not the seen but the unseen.
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SeanBM:
The crown on it's head is important.
And the colours White and Red.
The commies tried to chip off the crown from the the symbol of the eagle on walls and statues.
But wait for someone else's reply, as I am not certain.

You forgot the main thing, its image should be placed upon the wing of the black double headed eagle
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fyip4:
I'm looking to design my own rendition of the Polish eagle for a tattoo and I was wondering which features I should make sure I include and shouldn't change.

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ConstantineK:
You forgot the main thing, its image should be placed upon the wing of the black double headed eagle
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fyip4:
What are the key features of the Polish Eagle?

It looks to the West,ready to eat the Teutons.
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southern:
It looks to the West,ready to eat the Teutons

Aaaah ... that's why the eagle is missing so many feathers ... ;)
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What is the origins of the Polish eagle within Polish culture?

Could someone please explain the origina of the eagle within polish culture? thanks
SeanBMThreads: 41
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"The White Eagle emblem originated when Poland's legendary founder Lech saw a white eagle's nest. When he looked at the bird, a ray of sunshine from the red setting sun fell on its wings, so they appeared tipped with gold, the rest of the eagle was pure white. He was delighted and decided to settle there and placed the eagle on his emblem."

Wiki
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SeanBM:
The crown on it's head is important.

kind of.. PL hasn't been a kingdom in over a couple of centuries so the crown really doesn't fit to be on the head but for some reason it's insisted on.. i don't get it.

the eagle is white.. no red.. all features are important as it's unique..
ConstantineK:
You forgot the main thing, its image should be placed upon the wing of the black double headed eagle

lol.. that's actually a golden eagle but yeah.
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plk123:
kind of.. PL hasn't been a kingdom in over a couple of centuries so the crown really doesn't fit to be on the head but for some reason it's insisted on.. i don't get it.

You don't change symbols at will. The crown is a well established feature and since the communists removed it, it is now also symbolic of their defeat.
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1jola:
You don't change symbols at will.

is that right?



1jola:
it is now also symbolic of their defeat.

that's not a logical symbolism.. kind of sounds like a pollack joke.. and then we wonder..
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plk123:
kind of.. PL hasn't been a kingdom in over a couple of centuries so the crown really doesn't fit to be on the head but for some reason it's insisted on.. i don't get it.


plk - your leftist leanings (I'm just sayin' ;) shouldn't affect your appreciation of history and traditions that I'm sure you enjoy.

The two headed eagle you showed is not the Polish Eagle but rather the Russian snake. The crownless Polish Eagle is not a Polish Eagle either but rather the Russian Puppet Snake - a symbol of the Polish humiliation. A semi-Polish Eagle without balls if you prefer.

The crown is without a doubt the most important part of the Biały Orzeł and whereas in the past it was a symbol of the Monarchy it is now a symbol of Poland being independent again and of the Polish population being in charge, the "kings" of their own destiny.

I hope that 1,000 years from now the Polish Eagle still has a crown. ..even if it's made of trilithium or Pan-Galactic cargonite - it gotta have a crown!!!

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PS. ...and yes, I like, no I treasure the In-God-We-Trust motto here in the States. Oh, and I own several guns and love Jack Daniels too! lol

There, now I feel better...
plk123Threads: 30
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yeah, i'm against the 'in god we trust' on the money.. it has nothing to do with anything.. it makes no sense.. it would make sense on vatican coin but not on US currency..

the double headed eagle (yes russian) with the white eagle in the middle.. congress of poland.. 1815
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PLK, the arrows in the talons of the American eagle probably don't make sense to you either since US hasn't used arrows for centuries. LOL
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1jola:

PLK, the arrows in the talons of the American eagle probably don't make sense to you either since US hasn't used arrows for centuries. LOL


...and 50 stars on our flag don't make sense either as there are 46 States and 4 Commonwealths ('Rzeczpospolita') in our union. (Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia)

So the flag should have 46 stars and 4 sparkles, right? ;)

Just keedin'
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1jola:
You don't change symbols at will.

plk123:
is that right?

lol, made me smile,I own 6 very differnt styles of Polish army cap eagles(i dont mean sizes,I mean styles,ie all for rogatewkas) from early to late 1930s :)
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skysoulmate:
So the flag should have 46 stars and 4 sparkles, right? ;)

yes, now we're talking.. lolol
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plk123:
kind of.. PL hasn't been a kingdom in over a couple of centuries so the crown really doesn't fit to be on the head but for some reason it's insisted on.. i don't get it.


In heraldry, crown on the head of a heraldic beast is a symbol of sovereignty. Commies didn't realize that, and removed the crown from the coat of arms of the PRPoland as a reactionary symbol. Ironically, they just illustrated the actual status of the PRP.
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Here's the legend of the White Eagle

White Eagle
z_dariusThreads: 22
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skysoulmate:
So the flag should have 46 stars and 4 sparkles, right? ;)

Stars are so yesterday

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nott:
In heraldry, crown on the head of a heraldic beast is a symbol of sovereignty.


Hmmm...not quite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)

A Crown is often an emblem of the monarchy, a monarch's government, or items endorsed by it; see The Crown. A specific type of crown (or coronet for lower ranks of peerage) is employed in heraldry under strict rules.
Indeed some monarchies never had a physical crown, just a heraldic representation, as in the constitutional kingdom of Belgium.

Crowns are also often used as symbols of religious status or veneration, by divinities (or their representation such as a statue) or by their representatives, e.g. the Black Crown of the Karmapa Lama, sometimes used a model for wider use by devotees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(heraldry)
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Bratwurst Boy:

Hmmm...not quite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)


try Google 'crown symbol sovereignty'. Crowned heraldic beast symbolises sovereignty. Contrarily, a beast with a crown hanging from its neck indicates dependence, vassaldom, fief. As an example see how the Prussian coat of arms changed from a black eagle with a crown around its neck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Prussia), Polish fief, to a black eagle crowned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia), sovereign state since 1702.

The whole lot of diverse crowns shown in the Wiki article pertains to crowns located in the helm, not in the blazon. Helluva difference in symbolics.
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Alot of eagles represent sovereign countries without any crown whatsoever....
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