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Timothy Snyder's new book. Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin.


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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Moderator  Nov 14, 10, 20:16    #1
A friend just sent me this review (don't know from where...)

Mass murder
History and its woes
How Stalin and Hitler enabled each other’s crimes

Oct 14th 2010

Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin. By Timothy Snyder. Basic Books; 524 pages; $29.95. Bodley Head; £20. Buy from Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk

IN THE middle of the 20th century Europe’s two totalitarian empires, Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Soviet Union, killed 14m non-combatants, in peacetime and in war. The who, why, when, where and how of these mass murders is the subject of a gripping and comprehensive new book by Timothy Snyder of Yale University.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/oct/09/bloodlands-stalin-timothy- snyder-review
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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 14, 10, 22:00    #2
Ah, it's from The Economist.
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I will be looking for this at my local bookstore tomorrow.
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Bloodlands

Anyone read it yet?

If so... Was it any good?

I just ordered the book and im really excited!

http://bloodlandsbook.com/


Thanks mod didn't know about this thread. Stupid little me hihi ;)
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I found this review by Anne Applebaume very interesting

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/worst-madness/?pa gination=false
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Timothy Snyder; Bloodlands. An Interview

Sounds good. Still need to get a copy...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2011/06/hitler-and-stalin
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Excellent book. I bought it a few months ago and have read it already several times.
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sobieski:
Excellent book. I bought it a few months ago and have read it already several times.




And also an interesting, but controversial, point of view not on European history but on American post-war history:
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Timothy Snyder po polsku:
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Summary of the book by Timothy Snyder:
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I think this book is far too objective for the namiotists on this forum. They prefer Norman Davies.
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sobieski:
They prefer Norman Davies


Aren't Norman Davies's writings objective?
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AdamKadmon:
sobieski:
They prefer Norman Davies


Aren't Norman Davies's writings objective?

They are very selective. The author seems not to remember a few things, and glorifies "the First Ally" wherever he can.
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AdamKadmon:
Aren't Norman Davies's writings objective?

Isn't here considered a "Pole lover" in the UK and a someone to whom Polish history is a hobby? I've read his Rising 44' pretty good book, but it seam like he's a little one sided.
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Great review, I'm going to read that book.

As a result, we liberated one half of Europe at the cost of enslaving the other half for fifty years. We really did win the war against one genocidal dictator with the help of another. There was a happy end for us, but not for everybody. This does not make us bad—there were limitations, reasons, legitimate explanations for what happened. But it does make us less exceptional. And it does make World War II less exceptional, more morally ambiguous, and thus more similar to the wars that followed.

I hope that will some smart-asses think twice before accusing Poles of whining when confronted with the truth.
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Ironside:
Great review, I'm going to read that book.

Its well worth listening to the video Adam posted @ #10, you may think it's a bit long at 47 or so mins but I think not long enough.
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Ironside:
As a result, we liberated one half of Europe

No you did not. Poland did not win WW II. It contributed heroically with its pilots, its divisions, but the Polish divisions were part of the Commonwealth armies.
My home village in Flanders was as a matter of fact liberated by General Maczek's boys, and so was my mother's hometown - Ghent.
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sobieski:
No you did no

citation from comes from an American historian who wrote review of the book.
You have a link to the review above.
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sobieski:
No you did not

He was quoting from above


Edit
Oops Ironside said it
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Barney:
Its well worth listening to the video Adam posted @ #10, you may think it's a bit long at 47 or so mins but I think not long enough.

Indeed.

Im ashamed to say that i bought the book 6 months ago and still haven't read it.... YET! Just checked some pages in it :(.
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Ironside:
sobieski:
No you did no

citation from comes from an American historian who wrote review of the book.
You have a link to the review above.

Anyway...these dust-covered Sherman tanks with soldiers of the First Polish Armored Division liberated on a hot sunny day in 1944 my father's village and my mother's hometown.


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