Tusk - A Kashub or a German.

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Edited by: guesswho Jun 26, 11, 20:45 #31

PennBoy:

Let him be a German if he is,

don't get me wrong, I personally don't care who he is it was more like a technical question if a citizen of one country is to be seen as a part of it, that's all.

PennBoy:

the issue is whether what he does is for the greater good of Poland not Germany.

fully agree with you here, as long as he does a good job for you guys (whether he does or not is up to you to determine that), why would anyone care.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 20:49 #32
Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,442 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 20:50 #33
guesswho: no PB? Then I'll ask you a question, are you an American or not? I realize that you really can't be both. So as someone who was born in Poland, who's all ancestors were Polish and who still holds a Polish citizenship I am and feel Polish, I probably always will. That's me being honest.

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Edited by: guesswho Jun 26, 11, 20:59 #34

Seanus:

Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)

You mean an American of Kenyan descent, right? :-) (I don't like him but we have to stay correct if just a little).

PennBoy:

I realize that you really can't be both. So as someone who was born in Poland, who's all ancestors were Polish and who still holds a Polish citizenship I am and feel Polish, I probably always will. That's me being honest.

In general, one is who he believes and feels he is. If you feel Polish, you are Polish. It wouldn't make any sense to force you be an American.

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Edited by: Natasa Jun 26, 11, 21:01 #35

PennBoy:

I realize that you really can't be both

Why not? You belong to both. It is typical in development of social identity of the first generation with US citizenship. Dual social identity. Your posts imply that you really adopted both identities. Next generation, your kids will according to empirical research on that topic adopt most probably only American identity.

stop the earth i want to get off

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Jun 26, 11, 21:05 #36
Natasa: Next generation, your kids will according to empirical research on that topic adopt most probably only American identity. Then you don't know Poles in America, lol OK, some of them do as you say but many just live here and create their little Poland inside the US and more or less ignore the rest.

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Edited by: PennBoy Jun 26, 11, 21:07 #37

Natasa:

Why not? You belong to both. It is typical in development of social identity of the first generation with US citizenship. Dual social identity. Your posts imply that you really adopted both identities. Next generation, your kids

I don't think so. People see me they know just by looking at me I'm Polish, the way I look, talk, walk, behave it's just different. I never really assimilated because in Poland and when I came here (even if I had a break from it) I always mostly hung out with Polish people, still do to this day. Even my English it's very good but sometimes I have a slight accent. I just always felt more Polish, I feel more comfortable around them.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 21:07 #38
That tends to be in the nature of many, yes. Poles are like the Borg in that respect, much like the Japanese. As for Tusk, check most sources and they will tell you he is a Kashubian.

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Edited by: Natasa Jun 26, 11, 21:08 #39

I don't say anything, I just read relevant literature on the topic. Third generation feels American, second both, first is loyal to the country of birth.

Oversimplified it sounds like that. Of course, exceptions are always present. That is the trend observed by researches.

Pennboy, I forgot that you were born in Poland. You are not falling in any of the categories they offered, because you were socialized in American system and born abroad.

stop the earth i want to get off

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 21:08 #40
If he is German he has already his connections.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,442 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 21:09 #41
Natasa: I don't say anything, I just read relevant literature on the topic. Third generation feels American, second both, first is loyal to the country of birth. Well there you go.

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Jun 26, 11, 21:12 #42
Natasa: That is the trend observed by researches. yep, this is how it should be but in many cases, it isn't.

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Edited by: PennBoy Jun 26, 11, 21:13 #43

Natasa:

Pennboy, I forgot that you are born in Poland.

It's OK ;)

guesswho:

Then you don't know Poles in America, lol OK, some of them do as you say but many just live here and create their little Poland inside the US and more or less ignore the rest.

You said it yourself when I asked you, if you lived in a foreign country for 10 or 20 years would you stop being an American? you said never I'm a Yank (or something like that lol). Same here, when I hang out with my Polish friends we're laughing and joking in a large group it feels good it feels like you're almost back in Poland.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,442 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Jun 26, 11, 21:18 #44
Sokrates: Aushwitz/Oświęcim. Allow me to correct you Sok, he wasn't at Auschwitz but Stutthof

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Jun 26, 11, 21:20 #45

PennBoy:

You said it yourself when I asked you, if you lived in a foreign country for 10 or 20 years would you stop being an American? you said never I'm a Yank (or something like that lol)

Hey, I don't blame you for anything at all, I only described the situation in the US (especially with Poles) the way it really is.

The only thing I don't understand is, why we need a visa to go to Chicago? (just kidding, lol)

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 21:45 #46
Doesn't matter what his grandpa was or what he is ........What is important is whatever he is doing a good job. I say nay! kick him out!

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Moderator Jun 26, 11, 21:56 #47
PennBoy: Allow me to correct you Sok, he wasn't at Auschwitz but Stutthof Thats correct i'm sorry i wasnt in a discussion about Tusk for more than a year now.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 22:24 #48
Another fact gone wrong? ;)

saschaThreads: 13 Posts: 3,856 Joined: Jun 10, 10 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 22:28 #49
Seanus: Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;) ;)))) southern: If he is German he has already his connections. angela managed sth for him, for sure...

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 22:43 #50
Maybe thats why him and Merkel are so friendly lol

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 26, 11, 22:44 #51
Seanus: Another fact gone wrong? ;) No just memory failing i checked the rest after that, i'm correct on all other points dont be a pr*ck its enough that you're a Jew.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 26, 11, 22:49 #52
http://www.german-times.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id= 2685&Itemid=78, have a read, Sok. It's in English :) What's a Jew, Sok?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Jun 28, 11, 22:55 #53
Bratwurst Boy: Maybe they don't believe in the supposed effect? What if a majority says.."Tusk is German, his families were Nazis - YAY!" Good thinking, BB. Imagine big posters and billboards with this picture, all over Poland, the logo of PO on them and a text saying - "Tusk family - building great relations with Germany since 1939!" ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 28, 11, 22:56 #54
OK so the best MMA fighter in Poland is Georgian so we can't let the PM find his German status. Surely not ;)

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