Ukraine exposes Katyn executioners

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 16:06 #1
Ukraine handed over to Poland the documents regarding the deaths of 350 Polish officers in Rivens'ka oblast', murdered by Soviet NKVD. http://www.thenews.pl/international/default.aspx?page=21&id=116639

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 16:07 #2
There's nothing like a good 70 year wait, right? ;) ;) Ukraine wouldn't do that against Russia's will, sorry. They'd whoop your ass for doing that.

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 17:10 #3
The polish bill condemns the invasion of Poland on 17 September 1939, with the Katyn massacre described as a “war crime” with “characteristics of genocide”. Ah, that one again.

gregy741Threads: - Posts: 61 Joined: Dec 3, 09 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 18:04 #4
yeah, their blood is on your hands sjam and your countrymen.no wonder you do not like katyn subject.

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Edited by: sjam Dec 3, 09, 18:16 #5

gregy741:

yeah, their blood is on your hands sjam and your countrymen.no wonder you do not like katyn subject.

I am not sure if Britain (my countrymen) played a big part in the Katyń war crime but no doubt you can enlighten me? Did we supply the bullets to the NKVD? The paper for the execution orders? The ink for Stalin's pen? Did we provide the 'shooters'? Maybe my countrymen did? Now that would be interesting :-))

My views on Katyńn as “war crime” or as “genocide” can be read elswhere in an earlier thread. Yes, that one again! But for your benefit I'm in the Katyń as a 'war crime' camp.

gregy741Threads: - Posts: 61 Joined: Dec 3, 09 ♂	Dec 3, 09, 18:26 #6
sorry my misteake,i took you as jewish judging by your polonophobia

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: sjam Dec 3, 09, 18:35 #7
gregy741: sorry my misteake,i took you as jewish judging by your polonophobia My Jewish Polonophobia? No just Polonophobia. LOL. BTW I could still be a British national and be Jewish by religion—but that does not seem to compute for some Poles. LOL.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 09, 02:09 #8
sjam: My views on Katyńn as “war crime” or as “genocide” can be read elswhere in an earlier thread. Yes, that one again! But for your benefit I'm in the Katyń as a 'war crime' camp. They tried to wipe out the elite of a whole nation... What more do you want? Just think what would have happened if Stalin-Hitler had their peace time over some more years.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 09, 05:08 #9
Seanus: They'd whoop your ass for doing that. And suck our d*ck - you are correct.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 14, 09, 08:26 #10
Seanus: Ukraine wouldn't do that against Russia's will, sorry. They'd whoop your ass for doing that. Sean your lack of grasp of our regional situation is epic, the only thing thats beaten what you said now was calling Putin - a former KGB agent responsible for dozens of murders - a good man:)))

drow21Threads: 2 Posts: 68 Joined: Dec 13, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 09, 08:32 #11
good for Ukraine, though i think they want in the eu i remember reading , an open air exhibit in krakow , funny how things like this are overlooked by the uk

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Dec 14, 09, 11:37 #12

Sokrates, stop the pretending! I really dislike Poles who think they have the monopoly of knowledge on Russian-Ukrainian affairs. OUR regional situation? What on earth is that garbage? I studied International Criminal Law and the Genocide Conventions (one of the 4 subjects of my major) but I don't pretend to know all about the application of them. I suggest you do the same. Are you Ukrainian or Russian? No, neither am I.

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Dec 14, 09, 13:36 #13

Seanus:

I really dislike Poles who think they have the monopoly of knowledge on Russian-Ukrainian affairs.

I'm not saying i have the knowledge because i'm Polish and you're not, i'm saying you're clueless because you lack knowledge.

If you call a man who's been personally responsible for deaths of multiple Berliners and some quite nasty things in his own country decent then you're either from another planet and just pretending to be Scottish or completely utterly clueless.

Also you just said Ukraine wouldnt do anything to frack with Russia directly after the gas argument so what do you base your opinions on?

Seanus:

I suggest you do the same. Are you Ukrainian or Russian? No, neither am I.

No but saying Ukraine would not do anything to mess with Russia after it went through the Orange Revolution and stood up with the whole gas issue is about as smart as saying a guy who ordered dozens killed is decent:)

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Dec 14, 09, 13:49 #14

They confronted Russia for breach of contract, that's a standard response in such situations. I base it on Timoshenko seeking out cordial ties and she represents a change from the approach of Yushenko. That alone is enough.

Ukraine will defend its national interests as all countries do but they are in the weaker position with Russia. There is much dependence there and if you can't see that, you are blind.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Edited by: ZIMMY Dec 14, 09, 13:59 #15
Seanus: I really dislike Poles who think they have the monopoly of knowledge on Russian-Ukrainian affairs. Do you also dislike the Irish who think they have a monopoly of knowledge on Irish-English affairs? ...or Scottish-English affairs? .....or Welsh-Scottish affairs? Do black Americans have a special insight on American and Amer-Indian relations? Hmmm, just asking.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 14, 09, 14:03 #16
The Irish naturally have an interest in Irish-English affairs, ZIMMY. It stands to reason. Scottish-English decision makers affect (affected more) the Irish so the same applies. The Irish don't claim a monopoly of knowledge, just an active interest in decisions which affect them. Poles should be the same, take an interest by all means but don't claim expert status.

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Dec 14, 09, 14:09 #17

Seanus:

They confronted Russia for breach of contract, that's a standard response in such situations.

But according to you they would do nothing to oppose Russia and given the reaction of Russia it was ceirtanly opposition!

Seanus:

I base it on Timoshenko seeking out cordial ties and she represents a change from the approach of Yushenko. That alone is enough.

So is Timoshenko representative of the Ukraine as a state or just a faction?:)

Seanus:

There is much dependence there and if you can't see that, you are blind.

Oh i never said they're not dependent, i just oppose your claim that they will run their international affairs in a way that suits Russia, they are not doing it now and are unlikely to do so in the near future.

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Dec 14, 09, 14:14 #18

I meant provoke a wider conflict, Sok. Beyond a show of solidarity against Russia's stance, there wasn't much more, agreed?

We all know that Timoshenko doesn't make all the key decisions of her own accord without substantial input from others but her cooperative stance will help.

Quote me a time when I said that they would conduct themselves in such a fashion. I merely said that they wouldn't go looking for an irrational confrontation.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Dec 26, 09, 21:53 #19
American Dr.William Pierce on Katyn http://www.katyn.rawelin.com/artykul6.htm On Vinnitsa: http://library.flawlesslogic.com/vinnitsa.htm I don't agree with Pierce on everything, but certainly he has an important perspective here.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Dec 26, 09, 23:01 #20
Thanks, Joe.

f stopThreads: 28 Posts: 2,681 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Mar 11, 10, 15:10 #21
It was Nazis, russians claim? http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/polish-magazine-faces-extre mism-charges/401263.html

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 16:32 #22
f stop: It was Nazis, russians claim? Some Russians deny the holocaust took place, some Russians deny Katyn was the work of the Soviets. Some people are fcuking morons.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,558 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 17:30 #23
Harry: Some Russians deny the holocaust took place, some Russians deny Katyn was the work of the Soviets. Some people are fcuking morons. And some people are Serbophobes. Need a srbosjek? You should thank those people. If they weren't exist, you would have nothing to babble about.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Mar 11, 10, 17:40 #24
Sasha: srbosjek In the Jasenovac concentration camp competitions in speedy slaughter were organized by the Ustaše. The winner of one such competition, Petar Brzica slit the throats of 1,360 prisoners. Croats - the great "Germanic people", the "descendants of Goths". Don't we all just love them?

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,558 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 17:49 #25
By the way, Torq, they guy (Petja) has never been caught. According to some returns he fled to the US right after the war. :(

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 11, 10, 17:55 #26
I hope he already rots in hell (and that the devils that are f***ing him up the arse are singing Serbian songs to him).

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Mar 11, 10, 18:52 #27
Sasha: And some people are Serbophobes. Need a srbosjek? No need thanks: Neanderthals will die out in Serbia naturally just as they have in the civilised world. It's called evolution and I'm not surprised that you haven't heard of it.

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Mar 11, 10, 20:36 #28

Harry:

No need thanks: Neanderthals will die out in Serbia naturally just as they have in the civilised world. It's called evolution

If anything this might be called "natural selection" but I didn't expect a thoughtful comment from you at that point. :)

Harry:

and I'm not surprised that you haven't heard of it.

And... this is what you call "civilised" I suspect? :) In Russia we call it "detskij sad", kindergarten.

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