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"I was more afraid of fellow Poles than Nazi German Officers", says Bartoszewski

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Jul 12, 11, 15:46 #91

manching23:
See germans are good people , its native poles who robbed their own people. Germans just got a bad name.

i do not know who is better Germans or Russians ? Germans just shoot back and only and look for more breading room and killed millions of Poles and Russians just protected Polish people from evil Germans and kill millions of Poles, it is a puzzler it must be the evil Poles they were asking for it.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 12, 11, 16:30 #92
I think Bartoszewski is simply outlining a position where some Poles were beginning to lash out as a result of the atrocities they had previously suffered. Poles bark back strongly against perceived injustice and I dare say that some would have gone about their business brutally in that time. Poles are generally easy/oazy, floaty types but do wrong by them and the claws will out.

PHILIPEK	Jul 23, 11, 14:31 #93
Its difficult to accept inconvenient truths isnt it? i.e. Polish colloboration with the Nazis,Jews helping Nazis to kill other Jews,Germans killing each other at the end of WWII,etc.Now you dont see yourselves ONLY as victims with the sense of purity that comes with it. What convenient lies will you tell yourselves to help you deal with the truth?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 14:35 #94
PHILIPEK, you didn't live in those times. Sometimes it was kill or be killed. You can't reason with an unreasonable war machine.

PHILIPEK

Jul 25, 11, 15:41 #95

You keep revisiting that place in your mind over and over again,trying to understand why it happened.The convenient terms "I was following orders" "it was kill or be killed" offer the fake closure that you so yearn for.There were MARTYRS,Polish, Ukrainian,Christian and Jew that chose death rather than aid,abet or participate in the killing of the innocent.
Hopefully,one day,I will be able to come to terms with the ghosts of the past.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 22:00 #96
The Eichmann case threw up all those issues for all to see. I don't believe many Poles would have readily participated in such killings either. However, fear makes you do sth funny things.

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