Were these people communists?

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Feb 24, 10, 10:34 #1

I don't know if I'm posting in the right place, sorry if I am.

I just wanted to know whether Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski, Jerzy Robert Nowak, Jędrzej Giertych, Roman Dmowski, Henryk Pająk or Ks. Rydzyk were sympathetic to the communist rulers of Poland. I understand that some people may think these people are antisemitic or whatever, but that is irrelevant. I am asking because as far as I understand it, these people were Catholic and the Communist government in Poland was anticatholic (or secular, they supported atheism) so that would be kind of hypocritical of them (am I using the right word here?).

Thanks

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 10:38 #2
My history might be a bit dodgy but Dmowski was dead before communism took over Poland. Didn't Roman Giertych's father vote in favour of martial law under Jaruzelski?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: 1jola Feb 24, 10, 10:58 #3
The people you listed are or were anything but sympathetic to communism. It would be interesting where you came across such a ridiculous notion. Maciej Girtych has come up with some bizzarre statements though and he was on the wrong side in the eighties. Tfu!

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 15:27 #4
1jola: a ridiculous notion. Ridiculous indeed. All anti-communist, on the far right of the political spectrum.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 15:33 #5
jonni: Ridiculous indeed. All anti-communist, on the far right of the political spectrum. They weren't pro-communist, they just accepted their situation and worked within it. They also weren't actively anti-communist like many of the forgotten heroes of that time.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 16:21 #6
convex: They also weren't actively anti-communist like many of the forgotten heroes of that time. Exactly. With a couple of exceptions they laid low while others spoke out and caught the flak.

dominikus28Threads: 4 Posts: 5 Joined: Feb 24, 10 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 02:58 #7
1jola: It would be interesting where you came across such a ridiculous notion. I just thought they may be communists because I had read that most of them either supported martial law in Poland or were in the Communist party in Poland

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Feb 25, 10, 03:10 #8
dominikus28: I had read that most of them either supported martial law in Poland Roman Dmowski? I think you are confused.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 03:13 #9
Bzibzioh: Roman Dmowski? I think you are confused. Yes. He would have been about 120 at the time.

dominikus28Threads: 4 Posts: 5 Joined: Feb 24, 10 ♂	Feb 25, 10, 07:47 #10
Bzibzioh: Roman Dmowski? I think you are confused. No not Dmowski. Jędrzej Giertych apparently supported the introduction of martial law in Poland. Henryk Pająk was a member of the Communist party. Jerzy Robert Nowak was an informant of the Communist Secret Police. So I've read...

dominikus28Threads: 4 Posts: 5 Joined: Feb 24, 10 ♂	Feb 27, 10, 03:07 #11
Bzibzioh No not Dmowski. Jędrzej Giertych apparently supported the introduction of martial law in Poland. Henryk Pająk was a member of the Communist party. Jerzy Robert Nowak was an informant of the Communist Secret Police. So I've read...

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Feb 27, 10, 03:40 #12
dominikus28: No not Dmowski. So why you mentioned him in your first post?

dominikus28Threads: 4 Posts: 5 Joined: Feb 24, 10 ♂	Feb 27, 10, 11:05 #13
I mentioned him because I know that Jerzy Robert Nowak and Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski shared his views. I also know that Jerzy was a communist informant and Henryk Pajak was part of the communist party. So I wonder why someone who is a communist party member or informant would be against communism. I mentioned these people because their support each others views etc.

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Feb 27, 10, 11:15 #14

Jędrzej Giertych wasn't a Communist himself, but he was an opportunist and wanted to get on in life. It's no surprise that one grandson became a fascist and was actually quite a good education minister (that shows just how bad the others have been!!) and another a partner in a leading foreign accountancy firm in Poland. A grand-daughter was lusted after by a friend of mine - but she became a mother superior!

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Feb 27, 10, 12:54 #15
Varsovian: and was actually quite a good education minister He wanted to reintroduce school uniforms which was the most sensible idea he had, but he'll always be remembered as the cretin who wanted to remove the Polish classic 'Ferdydurke', the only Polish novel of international repute, from the school curriculum.

VarsovianThreads: 91 Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 23, 06 ♂	Feb 27, 10, 13:09 #16
I bet you have no present-day connection with secondary schooling, do you? The required reading list is outrageously long. The reading list was a cause celebre for luvvies ...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 27, 10, 15:51 #17
Varsovian: The required reading list is outrageously long And so it should be. Shame the stuff he took out was among the best of it. Varsovian: I bet you have no present-day connection with secondary schooling, do you? Actually.... Varsovian: The reading list was a cause celebre for luvvies ... The intelligentsia were rightly outraged.

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