15.08.1920 - without Hungarians there would be no miracle at the Vistula

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Edited by: MyMom Aug 15, 11, 16:06 #1

Since March 1920 the transports of supplies from Hungary to Poland have been blocked by Czechoslovakia at the border - Czechoslovakian government officially forbade any help for Poland to be transfered through its territory. The same action was soon taken by Germany, Free City of Gdańsk and Austria. The situation of Poland soon became hopeless. The only way was through Romania - a shaky alliant with very poor railway network. It is through Romania though that Hungarians would have to send their help.
On 8 July 1920 Hungarian government ordered almost all of its own supplies of ammunition to be send to Poland and made the local ammunition factories work solely for Polish needs for the next weeks. The ministry of railways ordered that all of the transports to Poland should be treated with uttermost priority. To 30 July most of the transports Poland received came through Hungary and Romania. After that date, when international socialist organizations proclaimed the boycott of all transports to Poland, all of the supplies came from Hungary.
The attitude in Hungary at that time was that "the fate of Poland is a our own fate".
Contrast this with Czechoslovakia - a state that was ready to go under just to make sure that Poland goes under first.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Aug 15, 11, 16:09 #2
This is a completely unknown fact. That was very noble of Hungarians. However, I wouldn`t ascribe Polish victory to Hungarian help solely.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,988 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Aug 15, 11, 16:29 #3
Very Informative. I wish all posts on PF were as good as yours.

Monia	Sep 5, 11, 18:13 #4
The attitude in Hungary at that time was that "the fate of Poland is a our own fate". Contrast this with Czechoslovakia - a state that was ready to go under just to make sure that Poland goes under first. Thank you for your informative post , I didn`t know that .Good job, Hungary - our foremost friend .

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Sep 5, 11, 18:28 #5

MyMom
Contrast this with Czechoslovakia - a state that was ready to go under just to make sure that Poland goes under first.

Given that two years previously Poland had signed an interim agreement with Czechoslovakia before invading Czechoslovakia the very next day and that during that same year Czechoslovakia had been occupied by Hungarian troops, it's not really surprising that Czechoslovakia was willing to let the Hungarian military help Poland in another war which Poland had started with a neighbouring country.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 5, 11, 18:32 #6
However, I wouldn`t ascribe Polish victory to Hungarian help solely. While it was the Poles fighting that achieved victory its a fact that without hungarian supplies there would be no victory, its an even less known fact that Hungarians offered to send a 100.000 strong core to support Poles but Czechs would not let them trough.

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Sep 5, 11, 19:40 #7

Given that two years previously Poland had signed an interim agreement with Czechoslovakia before invading Czechoslovakia the very next day and that during that same year Czechoslovakia had been occupied by Hungarian troops, it's not really surprising that Czechoslovakia was willing to let the Hungarian military help Poland in another war which Poland had started with a neighbouring country.

the Czechs where Panslavist delusionaries back in the first decade of the 20th century and they believed that Russians or Soviets where their allies - they have been cured since then in 1948 and 1968

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Sep 5, 11, 19:48 #8

the Czechs where Panslavist delusionaries back in the first decade of the 20th century and they believed that Russians or Soviets where their allies - they have been cured since then in 1948 and 1968

Well done to Poland for helping with the 1968 lesson, eh? And lucky that Poland managed to get that third invasion in within the 50-year period: once just Poland; once Poland along with the Nazis; and once Poland along with the Soviets.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Sep 5, 11, 19:49 #9
Well done to Poland for helping with the 1968 lesson, eh? And lucky that Poland managed to get that third invasion in within the 50-year period: once just Poland; once Poland along with the Nazis; and once Poland along with the Soviets. the discussion over this issue is pointless Harry, especially with you

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Sep 5, 11, 20:50 #10

the Czechs where Panslavist delusionaries back in the first decade of the 20th century and they believed that Russians or Soviets where their allies -

The Chechs were the only ones who had a truly democratic government between the wars, and arguably the only nation in Central Europe not being antisemitic.
Poles like the Slovaks and the Hungarians, and not the Czechs. Both nations having a vicious antisemitic record.

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Sep 5, 11, 21:14 #11

The Chechs were the only ones who had a truly democratic government between the wars, and arguably the only nation in Central Europe not being antisemitic.
Poles like the Slovaks and the Hungarians, and not the Czechs. Both nations having a vicious antisemitic record.

I wonder how do you actually bear living in such a bloody anti-semitic country as Poland, or are you on some high priority mission to change it?

dwa bratanki

Sep 5, 11, 21:15 #12

The Chechs were the only ones who had a truly democratic government between the wars

Truly democratic government that supported Red Army's invasion of Poland in 1920 and considered Stalin its valued ally, in addition to depriving people of Zaolzie the decision to vote by means of violence, not to mention the brutal executions of German civilians immediately after the war (while still being democratic). And that Czechs didn't consider its worth defending their democratic state in 1938 speaks volumes.
Still, you seem to confuse democracy with freedom, lawfulness or any other noble idea. Democracy is nothing more than the "rule of majority". In fact slavery used to be a part of reality in many democracies until XIX century.

and arguably the only nation in Central Europe not being antisemitic

Yes, the countries that got rid of Jews early and didn't want to let them in always pride themselves for being Jew-friendly. Just like Belgium.
Anyway, it's interesting that you only mention the attitude towards Jews. You seem not interested in Czech germanophobia or hungarophobia,their hatred of Roma and dislike towards Poles. Are Jews some kind of an obsession of yours? What have you done for them except for playing Poles and Jews against each other on the internet?

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Sep 5, 11, 21:45 #13

actually this piece of information the OP introduced here makes history of Poland and Hungary much more comprehensible now for me - I always wondered why Poland and Hungary were so friendly in the interbellum period and on (the partitions of Czechoslovakia - Poland supported the occupation of Carpathian Rus by Hungary in 1939 to have a common border with Hungary - then the Hungarians helped Polish servicemen to transfer to French held territories - there was some humanitarian aid from Poland to Hungary in the times of the Hungarian Uprising which is quite surprising from a Soviet puppet communist ruled country - I wonder how the POlish communist got away with this)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Sep 5, 11, 22:28 #14
- I wonder how the POlish communist got away with this) Pretty easy "If we wouldn't do anythign then it could escelate into a Polish uprising aswell" If they wouldn't help the Hungarians

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Edited by: pawian Sep 5, 11, 22:44 #15

=gumishu] there was some humanitarian aid from Poland to Hungary in the times of the Hungarian Uprising which is quite surprising from a Soviet puppet communist ruled country - I wonder how the POlish communist got away with this)

Yes, I agree with you. Despite communism which tried to penetrate into every sphere of life from 1945, Poles didn`t fear and acted very noble in 1956. We can be proud of that. Spirit of 44!

Polish solidarity with Hungarians:

Student guards in front of a Hungarian flag with words: Tribute to Hungarian nation.

Poles gave blood for Hungarians

Loading blood onto transports

Humanitarian aid transports

Rally in support of Hungarian revolution, you can see Hungarian flags and banners

Hands off Hungary!

Polish papers encouraged to collect supplies for Hungarians

In 1970s Polish opposition hung such banners: We remember Hungary 1956

The most moving symbol of Polish attitude to Hungarian revolution was a poster - it presents a pidgeon/eagle? shedding a tear.
Very touching.

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