WWII - who really was the first to help Poland?

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 03:59 #271
isthatu2: Benny hill hasnt been shown in this country for atleast 25 years Probably because it hasn't been overdubbed in Urdu.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jun 19, 10, 11:15 #272
Poland was the first to help itself.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jun 20, 10, 01:46 #273
TheOther: Without the Brits declaring war on Germany, Poland most likely wouldn't exist today. Without Brits giving guarantee to Poland which clearly they wouldn't been able to fulfil - Germans most likely wouldn't attack Poland.

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Jun 20, 10, 12:01 #274

isthatu2:

hhmm,lets see,
1940
Arras( brits1,germany nil)
Dunkirk campaign(score draw,forced rematch next season)
USA not competing
1941
Tobruk(brits 1,germany nil)
Tobruk ,re match (germany 1,brits nil)
USA not competing.
1942
Alamain(brits 1,germany nil)
Kasserine pass (Germany 1,USA nil)
1943
Salerno(Brits 1,germany nil)
Anzio(Germany 1,USA nil)
1944
Normandy
Brits v Hitlers finest SS ,panzer truupen etc
US v hitlers second line infantry...
Walcheren (Brits 1,germanynil)
Bulge (Germany 1,USA nil( cept the battered basta rds"Rendevous with destany!")
Bit immature aint you pete ole buddy,guess you aint a Harvard man....

Where are your salutations towards the Soviets? Those same Soviets that destroyed the creme of the Wehrmacht?

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Jun 20, 10, 13:45 #275

PolishPatriot:

They sold Poland along with the rest of Eastern Europe to the Soviets setting the stage for the Cold War.

Could you go into details about the price which the USSR agreed to pay to the Western Allies for Poland? I mean, we know precisely what price Poland sold her 1921 ally for, it's in the treaty which Poland signed with the USSR. So tell us what price Poland was sold for.

Pinching Pete:

Yet another time.. your glorious EMPIRE needed bailed out by colonials.

Could you perhaps remind me of the date on which the USA declared war on Nazi Germany?

Pinching Pete:

Poland would've been fine like it is today. Brits did nothing.

Remind me which nation flew just a single supply flight to the Warsaw uprising and which made more than a hundred? Which allied leader wanted to send planes to supply Warsaw and then land at Soviet bases without permission? And which allied leader replied ""I do not consider it advantageous to the long-range general war prospect for me to join you in the proposed message to Uncle Joe."?

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Jun 21, 10, 11:47 #276
One man, more than any other, enabled Stalin. That man was FDR.

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Edited by: Pinching Pete Jun 21, 10, 13:28 #277

Harry:

I do not consider it advantageous to the long-range general war prospect for me to join you in the proposed message to Uncle Joe."?

Who said that? The greatest statesman whoever lived said that. So what? Look at what your drunk PM did at Mers Al Kebir.

Harry:

the USA declared war on Nazi Germany?

Remind yourself.. it was a European problem, gov. You being the bright boy know we don't reside near it.

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Jun 21, 10, 14:20 #278

Pinching Pete:

So what?

So from that point on the Warsaw uprising was doomed and Stalin knew that the USA would not risk any conflict with the USSR over Poland, which meant that all of eastern Europe was doomed.

Pinching Pete:

Look at what your drunk PM did at Mers Al Kebir.

The French fired first. Always a mistake to do that when you aren't ready for battle and the other side is.

Pinching Pete:

Remind yourself.. it was a European problem, gov.

I can't remind myself: the USA did not declare war in Nazi Germany.

bamybabyThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Jun 21, 10 ♀	Jun 21, 10, 16:19 #279
i think is poland that helps poland

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Jun 23, 10, 19:02 #280
Everyone helped them self to Poland Germany got industrial area of Poland and slave labor in concentrations camps Soviets helped to fill their gulags with new workers British and United States got Polish gold for everything Polish soldiers use to defend their empire

markyfunkyThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Jun 23, 10 ♂	Jun 23, 10, 20:07 #281
NO war happens for no reason. Rich are getting richer. And WW2 was no different. Wall street bankers along with Prescott Bush (GWBush' grandfather) sponsored fascism and WW2 and then they "run back" to help out. BS!!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 23, 10, 20:45 #282
Marek11111: British and United States got Polish gold for everything Polish soldiers use to defend their empire Yawn. The same old tired lies. Why don't you tell us about how Britain excluded Poland from taking part in the London victory parade of 1946?

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Jun 23, 10, 20:46 #283
Marek11111: British and United States got Polish gold for everything Polish soldiers use to defend their empire My God.. it's a calvacade of retards on this thing! Could you tone down the insults please.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 23, 10, 21:45 #284
Pinching Pete: Could you tone down the insults please. Certainly... I was caught up in the apparent "spirit" of these forums. A pox upon me..

polskisoldier88Threads: 9 Posts: 14 Joined: Feb 21, 10 ♂	Jun 25, 10, 12:46 #285
no one helped really they were using poland like they say poland is the gateway for the russians to west europe

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Jun 25, 10, 13:44 #286
Harry: Could you perhaps remind me of the date on which the USA declared war on Nazi German 8 December 1941, the day after Pearl Harbor. Maybe the US was a little late to the party, but better late than never.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 25, 10, 14:47 #287
scottie1113: 8 December 1941, the day after Pearl Harbor. Nope. It was 11 December 1941 and was in response to Nazi Germany declaring war on the USA earlier that day. Although the USA had been shooting at Nazis for a couple of months by that point and the first American losses coming on 17 October and the first US ship being sunk on 31 October.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 Jun 25, 10, 17:10 #288
Babinich: Where are your salutations towards the Soviets? Those same Soviets that destroyed the creme of the Wehrmacht? Get them from me all the time bay, Soviets won ww2,the rest was just a sideshow . Marek11111: British and United States got Polish gold for everything Polish soldiers use to defend their empire Bull shoit,not a single Pole fought in the Far east...where our Empire was....

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 25, 10, 19:08 #289
isthatu2: Bull shoit,not a single Pole fought in the Far east...where our Empire was.... Well, a single Pole fought in China, which is fairly far east. Witold Urbanowicz

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Jun 25, 10, 19:39 #290
Harry: Nope. It was 11 December 1941 and was in response to Nazi Germany declaring war on the USA earlier that day. Although the USA had been shooting at Nazis for a couple of months by that point and the first American losses coming on 17 October and the first US ship being sunk on 31 October. Ah Harry, you're right. Senility caught up with me on the date. 8 December was the war on Japan.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 25, 10, 19:48 #291
scottie1113: Ah Harry, you're right. Senility caught up with me on the date. 8 December was the war on Japan. Japan, Germany, Italy, same thing basically. And it's not senility, it's the damage caused by all that absinthe!

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Jun 26, 10, 01:27 #292
Bull shoit,not a single Pole fought in the Far east...where our Empire was.... without England there would not be a empire

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Jul 11, 10, 11:56 #293

poland was on here own due to her locality. lets not forget, stalin and hitler had already made plans to devide her up long before all this happened. look at who were the winners of all this, walkswagem, aeg the electric company, agfa the film company, and worse still lets not forget that the vatican has had her share also. so lots of palms were crossed at that time. most took the view of these subhuman poles that were of no consequece. and that view was rife al the way through.
funny hiow the poles were not subhuman when they fought/with for britain. it was not possible for any force to make its way intompoland to help them, they would have been anihalated. the only sol;ution was to crush the nazis as soon as possible, then we can liberate poland and the rest, which is what happened.

chaza

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Jul 12, 10, 11:22 #294

Harry:

Well, a single Pole fought in China, which is fairly far east. Witold Urbanowicz

Exactly,maybe the odd "single pole" did fight within a British unit,but,er,China,really,part of the Empire,I think the chinese may have had somthing to say about that being as the only part of China in the empire was Hong Kong leased to britain and duly given back when said lease ran out in the 1990s.

Marek11111:

without England there would not be a empire

without scots and irish you mean.....ah well,yet again,facts not getting in the way of a good pity party....

rayThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Mar 1, 10 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 00:24 #295
I wondered why the Polish Americans did,nt help Poland, particularly after the war. There must have been some in positions of authority. I hear a lot about the allies not helping Poland enough, what did the Poles do to help Polsish Jews?

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Aug 3, 10, 06:29 #296

Harry:

Japan, Germany, Italy, same thing basically.

Bullocks and utter bullocks! Japan and Germany were never on good foot. Especially when Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Soviet Union! The Japanese felt betrayed and signed one with the soviets also! When the time came the Japanese din almost to nothing to support Germany with attacking the Soviet Union. One of the reasons for Hitler to declare war on U.S.A was to better the relationship. (Also he considered to be at war with U.S.A already as you mentioned earlier the American Navy was sinking German U-Boats)

Also thinking of the topic I would say Great Britain with Churchill's commando's and supply deliveries to insurgents or "partisans"

Unless you might think of Hungary that let entire military units go through her territory (Italy did the same to a certain extent) and letting the Polish embassy work at her territory until 1943 (or was it 1944?) I think that Germans walked in.

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Edited by: Sire Brenshar Aug 3, 10, 06:40 #297

ray:

what did the Poles do to help Polsish Jews?

Check the Yad Vashem ...

Despite all their shortcomings (many which were not their fault at all) Britain and France were the first to help Poland, if only by declaring war.

Also to say that "Churchill" sold Poland... you must remember that CH did an incredible amount to try and prevent that, and was quite unhappy by the ways things turned out.

He is not unlike Pilsudski in this regard, when Pilsudski was forced (by many factors, and especially by political opposition from home) to abandon Ukraine to the Bolsheviks.

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