Do you regard the Polish Communist Partizans as heroes?

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 00:51 #1
Do you regard the Polish Communist Partizans as heroes?

PWElThreads: - Posts: 13 Joined: Sep 27, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 01:10 #2
I guess you should consider this on a person by person basis, while remembering that you can be both a heroe and an idiot at the same time.

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Oct 1, 11, 01:35 #3

What about modern Polish historiography and about what they teach you in schools regarding the Polish Communist Partizans.

I know in Serbia the Partisans are still held in very high regard and as heroes by many.

Obviously post communist Poland's historiography would be very different than during the cold war, but I'm interesting in knowing specifically how the Polish Partizans, not the Red Army or NKVD are viewed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans_in_Poland

Zman	Oct 1, 11, 04:12 #4
Kingathelstan, you are sick

AngelNCThreads: 3 Posts: 106 Joined: Dec 19, 07 ♀	Oct 1, 11, 04:29 #5
I'm interesting in knowing where are you from King, Trowbridge,Wiltshire ... in Serbia? lol

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 08:27 #6
where are you from King, Trowbridge,Wiltshire ... in Serbia? lol I think that this joker is a pretend Englishman, with such dreadful spelling and all.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 08:40 #7
Hence his good knowledge of Serbian history, servile attitude to and admiration of all thinks Russian (odd think about many Serbians is that they see themselves as lesser people in comparison to the Russians), but he want openly admit it because he knows that they have reputation as baby killers and rapists after their recent Kosovo conflict.

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 10:16 #8
I think that this joker is a pretend Englishman, with such dreadful spelling and all. indeed this may be the case although you would be surprised at the appalling spelling of a lot of English people just ran an eye over my previous line and it looks reasonably ok :-)

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Edited by: MyMom Oct 1, 11, 10:16 #9

Obviously post communist Poland's historiography would be very different than during the cold war, but I'm interesting in knowing specifically how the Polish Partizans, not the Red Army or NKVD are viewed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans_in_Poland

Soviet partisans in Poland are not synonymous with Polish communists partisans.
Soviet partisans in Poland (former Soviet occupied Poland) after Katyn discovery were to Polish partisans an enemy just like Germans only more trecherous. That's the image people get nowadays from interviews with members of Home Army. Soviet partisans accepted and executed orders from Stalin so what would you expect. It really looks like in some areas they were more busy fighting Polish democratic partisans than fighting the Germans.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Oct 1, 11, 13:40 #10
just ran an eye over my previous line and it looks reasonably ok :-) I wish I could say the same for my previous post(: Anyhow how else would you explain his fascination with Russia and knowledge of Serbian history.

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 14:47 #11
I'm married to a Serbian women, but yes I'm about as English as it gets.

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Oct 1, 11, 15:02 #12

Soviet partisans in Poland are not synonymous with Polish communists partisans.

I'm sorry I didn't realise there was a difference between The Polish communist Partizans ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armia_Ludowa) and The Polish Soviet Partizans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans_in_Poland)

So yes, I would like to know how the 'Armia Ludow Communists' are viewed in modern Polish historiography?

P.S I just have an interest in Eastern European history during the war.

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Oct 1, 11, 15:04 #13

Simple answer is until 1989 ish the Communist Partisans were the Official Heros of Polish resistance simply because the AK was far too hot a potatoe to go near. The rank and file were seen as patriots led by fascist traitors. Since the fall of communism it would seem its all change, the AK are now the Official Heroes while the communist partisans are rarely mentioned. Give it 20 years and there may be a bit of balance to these things,but not quite yet. Its the same with the LWP etc.

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Edited by: MyMom Oct 1, 11, 15:30 #14
I'm sorry I didn't realise there was a difference between The Polish communist Partizans ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armia_Ludowa) and The Polish Soviet Partizans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans_in_Poland) There were no "Polish Soviet partisans", you mean Soviet partisans.

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 15:52 #15
Polish Soviet partisans", you mean Soviet partisans. Were there no Poles amongst their ranks?

MyMomThreads: 9 Posts: 185 Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 15:56 #16
Were there no Poles amongst their ranks? Haven't heard about any. There were some Polish Jews - those who didn't identify as Poles.

a.k.	Oct 1, 11, 16:02 #17
I'm married to a Serbian women, but yes I'm about as English as it gets. Haven't you said that your kids are half Welsh? A moderator in thread Rasism in Poland wrote to Somerset: How about you being a good troll, and just use one username per thread? Makes me ponder...

KingAthelstanThreads: 14 Posts: 225 Joined: Sep 13, 11 ♂	Oct 1, 11, 16:04 #18
Yes my kids are indeed half Welsh, my wife (2nd Marriage, is Serbian)

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Oct 1, 11, 16:14 #19

Were there no Poles amongst their ranks?

Nobody would have an nationality in those ranks as their doctrine was: There are no nationality's only 1 globe or something. Any Pole who would joined Soviet partisants cause of ideology stopped being a Pole. Unless he was a scammer of course and just wanted to survive. But yeah not that many Poles joined Soviet partisants, there were plenty of Polish partisants to join even as you mentioned "Armia Ludowa".

For me their a bunch of scum becaouse they sat on fire my family's property cause they had a better "status" and was seen as nobles... While local peasents greeted my family with open arms when they returned after the war, right before the fire by some stupid AL or Red armists (or even both at the same time)

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Oct 1, 11, 22:44 #20

What about modern Polish historiography and about what they teach you in schools regarding the Polish Communist Partizans.

They fought Germans and most of them actually got murdered by Russians, yeah they're considered as heroes but being a tiny fraction of the real partizan movement they dont get a lot of attention.

The Polish Soviet Partizans

No such thing, Soviet Partizans would consist of Ukrainians and Russians living in Poland, Polish Communist Partizans were not always supportive of Russia.

Also how about stick to one username and stopp troilling you little f*ck?

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Edited by: pawian Oct 1, 11, 22:57 #21

=KingAthelstan]Do you regard the Polish Communist Partizans as heroes?

They organised a few serious military operations against German occupiers. Those who participated can be considered heroes. They fought for Poland, doesn`t matter they wanted communist Poland.

E.,g., on 10 May 1943 they blew up the Nur fur Deutsche cafe in Warsaw, killing 6 Germans. In another attack a few months later, the German death toll rose to 18.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Podlaski_w_Warszawie

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