Human rights - European orginated slave's mentality

I have copied this comment from other topic, because I don't want to write about Serbs in particular. I want to raise the issue of human rights and slave's mentality of people whom worship human rights.

First of all, I want to write that rights are good for animals and one could think that people should have bigger ambitions... But somehow this is not the case, how often we hear in TV about politicians offering us some "rights".

In left-wing concept of the state a citizen is a slave of ruling establishment (democratic or not). Every lord always gave some "rights" to his slaves and thus also western societies were offered some certain amount of "rights".

In right-wing and libertarian concepts of the state a citizen is free and to make common co-existence possible just some certain behaviors are forbidden. (Of course I don't talk about supposed "rightists" represented in your national parliaments, those opportunistic people represent left-wing concept as well)

Question arise why people tolerate this slave's rhetoric? Does media outlets inspired by politicians succeed in their propaganda skills so much to crush people's minds?

@ShaneCondrad,

Why do you want to be a slave? If I would offer to you more "rights" than ruling establishment, would you like to become my slave as well? Why do you think that other people should respect this slavery only because you are glad with such outcome?

lmao,your a lost cause arnt you lesser. Why dont you move to China or Uzbekistan and then,if you can,give us your opinion on the evils of human rights?

WTF???

Why? Both countries represent left-wing concept of the state, just their establishment offered less "rights" to local populations.

????? your making less sense than usual,if thats possible....

Why r u talking about ancient history Lesser? We have moved on. Have u ever heard of the UN Civil Charter or European Convention on Human Rights? These are landmarks. I suppose u r gonna say that I know nothing about them, right? I own several texts on the issue and have read them.

What's this about animal rights? These are largely taken care of through NGO's and protectionist groups. Humans, funnily enough, are perceived more as legal entities. The enforcement of 'rights' is fundamentally different.

Wow, just saw a slave outside my window, gotta go, bye

My humble opinion on the topic:

Human beeings are free to do whatever they want except when it threatens the freedom of others.
I don't need any rights from a soveregin: state, EU, UN or any other. Any such declaration is only "reminder" of what is already there.
State/EU/UN/any other goverment is there only to esure my freedom is maintained.

Everything else is evil, leftist, comunist propaganda ;)

Lesser: NO.

Rights set out the minumum we should be entitled to.
Countries that do not give these rights have subjects or maybe even slaves, rather than citizens.
Many people in countries without these rights have it in their sights that they might one day attain these rights - they set a standard.

Are there any particular rights you don't think we should be entitled to, or would you scrap all of them?


What is propaganda? Propaganda can be used to convince people that a falsehood is the truth. Some rely on propaganda to prove a reality is reality. It's just in the latter case it only undermines the veracity of that truth. Extreme rhetoric?

Your rhetoric is fairly poor in your final sentence. What have rights got to do with the political left or the political right. Extremism in either direction is the problem. In fact, when it comes to far-right or far-left politics, it seems to me that the words left and right cease to have any meaning whatsoever.

The whole talk about rights and duties given by the state is wrong.
I don't have rights, I don't need someone to give me rights and impose duties on me.
I have my own intane freedom and my own responsibility for how do I use my freedom. I need no more, there is no more except of freedom and responsibility of others.

Good for you,where do you live al'? Im guessing not in one of the stans or belarus .....dont **** on rights that have been fought for by past generations that you are luky enough to take for granted!

Well, technically speaking, left and right-wing concepts are to do with the state's monetary policy (the free market is an example of the right wing, I think). Libertarianism and Statism, related to the control of personal liberty, exist at right angles to the left / right-wing spectrum so it's possible to be a left wing libertarian or a right wing statist. Being right wing does not necessarily make a free state.

bugger me,it can talk sense now and again......

You look like some kind of Russian sniper in your avatar, Vasiely Szcitzeff!!

well it is a mosin nagant sniper rifle W' so close :)

Apparently we moved not so far as we should... Of course these are documents which legalize modern slavery. European slaves gained more rights, this is true but freedom is still denied to them.

Beside of that some time ago Sudan was the chairman of the UN Human Rights Commission. This corrupt organization is a joke.



The real question is why do you think people should compete with cats and dogs which group gain more "rights" from their modern lords called "politicians"?



Finally voice of reason! :)



Oh come on, listen to yourself! You want to beg politicians to grant us minimum of rights we are entitled to! :) No offense but this is free person speaking??



He wants those people to be free and not have just more rights. He wish them more than you. I could understand if some people use tactic of "little steps" to pressure third world countries to become more civilized in European sense. Then you could talk about human rights for these societies. However I don't understand how can you talk about human right at home in Europe. This is really the highest time to leave "rights" in XX century and finally gain freedom, don't you think?

Politicians will never listen to voters if they grant them rights instead to serve them.



These labels contain both problems, economy and social issues. Ideal rightist is free marketer and conservative. Ideal leftist is a socialist and have liberal views on social issues. Ideal libertarian is liberal both on economic ("liberal" in European sense!) and social issues.

Good evening to you, a lesser man than I.

Of course not. They are a base from which to support all the other rights and freedoms we have. Where is the begging in that?

Why do you want these rights instead freedom? I don't understand how somebody can defend this position...

your the only one talking about it having to be one or the other....rights or freedoms...how silly,without freedom you dont have rights and without rights you dont have freedom.Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Problem is many times the West intervenes to save human rights from what it appears a threat while it stays blind towards violation of the same rights when its interests are opposite.
Marx was the first to attack human rights as a concept in some infamous manuscripts and many have read his work,not only from the left wing.

I agree, "human rights" have often been used as a tool for exactly the opposite,and many breaches are ignored,I mentioned Uzbekistan didnt I,Our ambasedor there was recalled because he spoke out about the terrible lack of human rights...geuss what,we and uncle sam are kissing Uzbek butt ..
No,Human rights,have been fought for over the centuries and should never be underestimated. I say its only when those rights are taken away from you that you can truelly realise just how valuble they are. Thats why I get mad at people sitting safely in the west moaning about them.

Rights must be granted by some kind of master. Yes or not?

If you have master then you cannot be free. Yes or not?

Your argueing semantics here lesser,the last bastion of the floundering arguement.
Why do you have a master slave mentality?
Are you a radical anarchist?
I somehow dont see you as cut in the Anarcho- syndicalist mold.
These rights were handed down by long dead people,I dont fear or feel enslaved to the UN conventions,do you? If so,why?
You still havent answered the basic counter to your points,you are sat here in saftey and security basking in the rights fought for by previous generations not somewhere where human rights are not recognised.

This is not semantics but a crucial perspective from which society and politicians see the world.



Rather politicians have and I just describe how they see it.



I'm not anarchist by any way, I hate so called representative democracy. I support Swiss model of direct democracy. In this country politicians are not important, how many Swiss politicians do you know?



All this adding rights is nonessential when you could simply proclaim freedom. In the EU soon the new Charter of the Fundamental Rights will be valid, foundations still the same.



I did when I wrote about tactic of little steps.

Don't put words into my mouth. You have not understood what I wrote, so don't comment on it please until you stop thinking that you know other people's thoughts.

lesser:

Question arise why people tolerate this slave's rhetoric? Does media outlets inspired by politicians succeed in their propaganda skills so much to crush people's minds?

Why do people tolerate this 'slave's rhetoric'?...because they are creatures of habit, and enjoy the comfort of the regulated lifestyle of a slave...when conditions deteriorate, and cruelty occurs, they cry...when overt cruelty ceases, they are content....but there are free men & women...these people are the 'non-conformists and the ones who are 'difficult to socialize'...NOTE: I do not include sociopaths & psychopaths in this 'free men & women' category.

Erm...what's wrong with that?

Most people are content when they are okay with their lives.
People balk when they are unhappy.

So what?

Why should people balk even when they are mostly happy?
Why is that a sign of "slave mentality"?

Dude having rights has nothing to do with slavery. You lesser have every right to write anything you want on this forum. Whos slave does it make you? Rights may be matter of law, or "God given", or common sense if you are not religious. Human rights movement is actually about making sure that you are NOT a slave and "God given" rights are not taken away from you. Don't twist sh&^$t around man.

Well, I was just responding to the question posed by the poster...many 'normal lives' can descend into slavery without the people even knowing it...we have a form of slavery right now in the US, which is called 'materialism' and 'stress related disorders'...and although I believe that 'Work will set you free' to a large extent, there is more to life than habits, 'life-styles' and consumerism...there is also a spiritual element.

Nun ja...but you have the freedom of choice to complain about that and to change your lifestyle accordingly, right?

That set's you and the society you live in apart from Slavery.
A true slave has no choices at all!

Quite right, and there is more to your statement then might meet the eye.