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What if Poland was not in the socialist system?

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	names [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:01 #31 Quoting: Shelley, Post #30 So soon Poland will have children that glow in the dark!!! Not so soon - I guess maybe in a few decades though.	Guest

	Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:12 #32 Quoting: Shelley, Post #30 So soon Poland will have children that glow in the dark!!! "Childhood cancer around nuclear installations has been studied in recent years, particularly in the United Kingdom but also in other countries. The early studies were prompted by the suggestion of a 10-fold raised level of childhood leukemia around the Sellafield nuclear site in England, which was confirmed and followed by the identification of generally smaller excesses around some (but not all) other nuclear sites in the United Kingdom. Marked excesses have not been reported in other countries. The increased leukemia rate around Sellafield has been further investigated by examining individual cases in detail in epidemiological cohort and case-control studies. The raised incidence seems to have been concentrated in children born in the local area but not among children who moved in after birth and was particularly associated with fathers who had experienced higher levels of occupational external ionizing radiation exposure at Sellafield before their children's conception. The underlying cause of this statistical association is not yet clear, but the findings have important potential implications for radiobiology and for protection of radiation workers and their children" Ah, this is all myth - nuclear energy is perfectly safe. There are hundreds of nuclear plants around the world - not mentioning all of the houndreds of nuclear powered ships and so far there has been only one serious accident - and it had had been caoused by faoulty materials. Noclear power is also very environment friendly - unlike coal, gas or oil plants - it dosn`t create any pollution - and the - really - small amounts of radioactive materials - that are being created as byproduct are beeing stored deep underground, where they can not threaten anyone. Besides - look at Germany - where the Greens have abolished ALL nuclear powerplants - in favour of wind power.. ..Germany has been once a majour energy producer - and now they wont have any options but to purchase power from us as well as to become dependant on Russian gas - which will result in the way that Germany is going to become politically dependant from Russia in the comming 5-7 years. Countries who are going to develope their nuclear potential instead of destroying it - won`t have those kind of problems.	Guest

	Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:14 #33 @Shelley Besides - do you know how the area around Chernobyl looks like today - and what are the Ukrainain government plans for it ?	Guest

	bolo
	Jul 14, 06, 10:23 #34 Chernobyl today:	Member Posts: 434 Joined: Jul 11, 06

	Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:40 #35 Quoting: bolo, Post #34 Chernobyl today: Well, I think that this photo had been made some time after the evacuation - the quality of the photo indicates that it had been made with some rather old camera. Chernobyl now: Now - Chernobyl is a tourist attraction - there quite many people who want to visit that place, like this guy, who`s playing around the Chernobyl powerpland reactor: ... not only that - but the whole area is full with all kinds of wildlife - and as a matter of fact it is courently one of the greenes places in Ukraince - cose both the plants as well as animals have adapted to the radiation, and since the whole area is no longer inhabited by people - the wild life there is not being disturbed by anyone. ... Do you know what is the Ukrainian government planning to do with that area ?	Guest

	rafik
	Jul 14, 06, 10:44 #36 Quoting: names, Post #28 maybe because it's a popular news story nowadays... strang i watch english tv every day,especially news programs and never heard of such a thing.what television do you watch?	Member Posts: 898 Joined: Jun 22, 06

	Shelley [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:49 #37 Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #32 Do you know what is the Ukrainian government planning to do with that area ? Wujek_Dobra_Rada I have no idea and wouldnt want to hazard a guest either on such a topic	Guest

	Shelley [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 10:53 #38 Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #32 Ah, this is all myth - nuclear energy is perfectly safe You trying telling my friend who lost her son to luekemia, her husband worked at the plant...	Guest

	Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
	Jul 14, 06, 11:20 #39 Quoting: Shelley, Post #37 I have no idea and wouldnt want to hazard a guest either on such a topic They want to convert that area into farms - who are going to produce biofuels. Quoting: Shelley, Post #38 You trying telling my friend who lost her son to luekemia, her husband worked at the plant... I was refering to the newer powerplants - that are being build today. But when we are talking about such hazards in which people die or becaouse of which their children suffer genetic damage - then such things might be caoused by many causes, i.e. high-voltage powerlines - they also caouse a very serious damage to peoploles health and coal and oil powerplants create polution that also damages peoples health - even waterplants aren`t environmentfriendly cose they are destroying the waterwildlife - and my point is that out of all energy sources - only nuclear energy (and later on fusion power) is at the same time the most environment friendly, the most safe, and most importantly the most efficient source of energy.	Guest

	compuwiz100 [Guest]
	Oct 17, 06, 11:55 #40 Have you been to Poland lately??????????? Brand new architecture going up in warsaw all over the place. Foriegn investors everywhere. Spain has announced that Poland is the best place to invest of all the countries in the European Union. I have alot of family and friends in Poland. They all have families, own thier own homes and have decent paying jobs. How often do people in third world countries have cell phones, big screen TV's and computers. I don't know where you come up with third world country???? Explian yourself. There is a fabulous shopping mall in Warsaw uncompromised by anything you see here in the USA. The new Super grocery stores are chock full of every kind of food you can imagine from all over the world I hope the USA of which I was born and raised in doesn't turn into a third world country with how the automakers are doing and what's happened to the economy here! Thank You George Dub-ya. So.......... LEF.......................I think you need to do a little more research before you spout off at your keyboard again about something you haven't got a clue about.	Guest

	lef
	Oct 17, 06, 16:25 #41 Quoting: compuwiz100, Post #40 LEF.......................I think you need to do a little more research before you spout off at your keyboard again about something you haven't got a clue about. LOL.... Next time your in poland, drive around the suburbs of a night time and see how many homeless people there are around, visit people who live in blocks and see how many people have all these "goodies".. shops may have a variety of goods, but how many poles can afford to buy them?...... Sure if you are the new rich in Poland, you can afford anything?	Member Posts: 615 Joined: Jun 27, 06

	iwona
	Oct 18, 06, 06:36 #42 lef, is it different in Australia???????? I don't think so, lots drug addicts, homeless, unemployed, living in council houses, peopel who can;t afford all goods in the shops..... So lef don't feel too superior over Polish because there is really no reason for it.	Member Posts: 678 Joined: Aug 6, 06

	lef
	Oct 18, 06, 16:46 #43 Quoting: iwona, Post #42 is it different in Australia???????? iwona I'm not trying to speak negative, sure there are a lot of drug addicts. and people who find it hard to live due to persoanl issues, ie depression, family conflict.. but the current welfare system provides good income support and rent assistance, if a person lives in the gutter it is generally his choice, (ie he spends his welfare payments on drugs, grog, or poker machines) The drunks who are homeless are looked after by various charities ie St Vincent DePaul society, salavation army etc. no person has died due to lack of food. The current unemployemnt rate in oz is 4.8% and as mentioned in previous post oz needs skilled people and is crying out for good people. Poland has not the safety net and a lot of people are left to use there own resources, which means homeless people are left to freeze in winter... I'm sorry that is the sad reality,, I get very upset when I hear from people who are the new rich in poland who have it very well who cannot see the plight of there struggling brother!	Member Posts: 615 Joined: Jun 27, 06

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